Not a good look for Arteta with Dowman there.

[All Guns Blazing II]

Never a red anyway.

[Peter]

Never a red anyway.

Arteta was livid. They would all have got a 'is nowhere ****ing near the standard, guys' afterwards.

They didnt turn up at Brighton, they didnt turn up tonight.

It can happen once. Now it has happened twice. And we have to go to Anfield on Sunday......

Certain people need to get their heads out of their arses. They know who they are (although one is injured).

[WES]

Never a red anyway.

Quite. Bad tackle that could have injured him badly. He tries to pull his leg out from between the hack's legs and the idiot ref interprets that as a kick. C*nt.

Still, like others I am not the slightest bit bovvered about going out.

[WES]

Arteta was livid. They would all have got a 'is nowhere ****ing near the standard, guys' afterwards.

They didnt turn up at Brighton, they didnt turn up tonight.

It can happen once. Now it has happened twice. And we have to go to Anfield on Sunday......

Certain people need to get their heads out of their arses. They know who they are (although one is injured).

Not sure I'd compare the two at all, Pedro. Brighton was away to a top 4/5 team in the league and we played the best 11 we had available. And we didn't compete.

Last night was a bit of a jolly that went wrong at the end. One too many lagers, maybe a Guiness at the end and possibly a whisky or two when you really didn't need them.

We'll recover and hopefully go to the Scouse with a bit more edge and anger in us.

[Peter]

Not sure I'd compare the two at all, Pedro. Brighton was away to a top 4/5 team in the league and we played the best 11 we had available. And we didn't compete.

Last night was a bit of a jolly that went wrong at the end. One too many lagers, maybe a Guiness at the end and possibly a whisky or two when you really didn't need them.

We'll recover and hopefully go to the Scouse with a bit more edge and anger in us.

Fair point. But I was far from convinced that the attitude was right last night. And was very disappointed with a few of them. It was a great chance for Zubimendi to show some quality and leadership. He showed neither. Still, if he is going to nick a living at least he had the decency to wear a mask.

I am starting to wonder about Kai Havertz....

[WES]

Fair point. But I was far from convinced that the attitude was right last night. And was very disappointed with a few of them. It was a great chance for Zubimendi to show some quality and leadership. He showed neither. Still, if he is going to nick a living at least he had the decency to wear a mask.

I am starting to wonder about Kai Havertz....

Agreed, the team we put out was easily good enough to win. But at the end of the day it's the league cup.

I have been worried about Havertz for some time. He's simply anonymous far too often for a player of his ability. Maybe he just isn't the false 9 or even the 9 we want him to be.

I wouldn't hesitate to start Gyok on Sunday.

[Peter]

Agreed, the team we put out was easily good enough to win. But at the end of the day it's the league cup.

I have been worried about Havertz for some time. He's simply anonymous far too often for a player of his ability. Maybe he just isn't the false 9 or even the 9 we want him to be.

I wouldn't hesitate to start Gyok on Sunday.

Havertz has been here for 3 seasons now. I think you can split his time here into equal thirds- one third good, one third ****e, one third injured. So far this season he has stayed fit. But more often than not, he's been crap.

It's coming up for two years since we've seen sustained decent performances from him. You have to wonder......

[All Guns Blazing II]

Agreed, the team we put out was easily good enough to win. But at the end of the day it's the league cup.

I have been worried about Havertz for some time. He's simply anonymous far too often for a player of his ability. Maybe he just isn't the false 9 or even the 9 we want him to be.

I wouldn't hesitate to start Gyok on Sunday.

Said already that Kai is basically a white Kanu. Very gifted but simply not arsed often enough to be relied upon. We won the league with him missing for half a season so he's hardly indispensable. Arteta has got it into his head that he is somehow the lynchpin of this side. Hopefully last night finally disavowed him of that particular notion.

[Peter]

Said already that Kai is basically a white Kanu. Very gifted but simply not arsed often enough to be relied upon. We won the league with him missing for half a season so he's hardly indispensable. Arteta has got it into his head that he is somehow the lynchpin of this side. Hopefully last night finally disavowed him of that particular notion.

Well, we dont have too many options in the forward areas. I hope it has at least convinced him that Havertz is useless anywhere other than as a 9

[Rich]

Arteta was livid. They would all have got a 'is nowhere ****ing near the standard, guys' afterwards.

They didnt turn up at Brighton, they didnt turn up tonight.

It can happen once. Now it has happened twice. And we have to go to Anfield on Sunday......

Certain people need to get their heads out of their arses. They know who they are (although one is injured).

Do you actually care? I coulnd't give a monkeys.

We'll win at Anfield. Liverpool 0 - 1 The Arsenal (Havertz '56)

[WES]

Said already that Kai is basically a white Kanu. Very gifted but simply not arsed often enough to be relied upon. We won the league with him missing for half a season so he's hardly indispensable. Arteta has got it into his head that he is somehow the lynchpin of this side. Hopefully last night finally disavowed him of that particular notion.

Sadly, I'm starting to come to same conclusion as AGB, his biggest problem is that he just doesn't seem arsed enough too many times. The talent is clear, the end product is very much not.

[pjlincs]

Do you actually care? I coulnd't give a monkeys.

We'll win at Anfield. Liverpool 0 - 1 The Arsenal (Havertz '56)

Liverpool 0 - 1 The Arsenal (Gyokeres '56).

There, fixed that for you!

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Fair point. But I was far from convinced that the attitude was right last night. And was very disappointed with a few of them. It was a great chance for Zubimendi to show some quality and leadership. He showed neither. Still, if he is going to nick a living at least he had the decency to wear a mask.

I am starting to wonder about Kai Havertz....

Thing about Kai, the more important the game, the more likely he is to score.

[Peter]

Thing about Kai, the more important the game, the more likely he is to score.

Problem with that is that when you are trying to win the league every game is important.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Problem with that is that when you are trying to win the league every game is important.

He's done well in the league this season. cf the Chelsea equaliser. He just couldn't be arsed about the league cup. Likewise Bruno. He's won us two games with hammer edge-of-the-box finishes. That and the CL is why he's here. He's won the LC with the Geordies. He's not that arsed. Save it for the big games.

Would we rather we have a player who scores in CL finals or away at Fleetwood in the LC. {NB - we have both.}