Quote Originally Posted by The Jorge View Post
Our PM appoints a comissioner just the same as every other country does, your argument is the equivalent of saying that we arent democratic because the parties appoint our PM and not us. That document is on the value of the EU to britain's businesses and, as the Leave campaign has clearly demonstrated, it's virtually impossible for anyone to predict what not being part of the EU would look like, they just chose to ignore the obvious fact that it will be a lot harder and take years to sort out.

My broader point is that democracy in this country is a sham and we'd be better trying to address the democratic deficit in our own country if we were really serious about wanting a more representative democracy.
Nonsense. We get to vote for our parties knowing full well who their leaders are and thus who is likely to be the Prime Minister. We tend not to like PMs who are unelected and thus kick them out if they hang around too long without a mandate, as Gordon Brown found out. Also, 'our' commissioner is one appointee by our PM in a room full of people appointed by people we, the British people, didn't vote for and who have utterly different agendas to us, meaning that - even if he were to represent our interests - he will always be outvoted by those countries whose conception of the role of the EU is very different to ours and about whose decisions we have no say whatsoever. Equally, since there is no weighting of representation based on size of population, economy, etc, you have the absurdly undemocratic situation whereby Luxembourg has as big a say as the UK - bigger in fact, since the ****'s the Commission President at the moment.
And, of course, the real point is that one that Commissioner is appointed by the PM, he is absolutely unaccountable to anyone. He can do as he wishes and vote as he wishes and no-one can ever hold him to account for it.
The EU makes it explicit that it wants to hush the voices of individual nations and it does that by arranging its systems in such a way that the democratic wishes of entire nations can be easily overridden in pursuit of ever closer union. Try as you might, you cannot justify its anti-democratic nature by comparing it with the UK.