Quote Originally Posted by The Jorge View Post
No, see, the political accountability thing is your *thing*. Personally I dont get it, mostly as I've stated before that I dont believe we've got anything like a properly functional democracy here anyway. You can bang on about unelected officials all you want but when we have an unelected house of lords and a hereditary head of state it's less than pointless.

Also, I wasnt scaremongering, I was pointing out the softer and much more valuable EU benefits when set against the net contribution argument.

The thing which, more than everything else, gets me is that we actually had more immigration from outside europe than we did from the EU last year. Given that fact do we really think we'll be able to "control" it better in the future?
Even if that argument weren't as utterly, pitifully flawed as it is (neither the House of Lords nor the Monarch has actual executive power - unlike the Commission), it is a strange and perverse argument to say that you believe it's right to vote for even less political accountability because you don't feel our level of political accountability at the moment is what it ought to be.

Oh, and your £60-£80 billion figure is entirely fictitious and utterly unprovable - something that ought to be obvious from the fact that there is a disparity of TWENTY - count 'em - £20 billion between the estimates