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  • #16
    Originally posted by Peter View Post
    Calafiori got in trouble over a new towel rule
    I thought that was outlawed in the PL a few years ago to be honest.
    Excellent housery as they say from Calafiori

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pat Vegas View Post
      I thought that was outlawed in the PL a few years ago to be honest.
      Excellent housery as they say from Calafiori
      The rule was always that towels were either available for both teams or none.

      But I thought they had outlawed it recently as I recall reading a thing that Arteta had found a loophole to exploit it. Apparently our ballboys were using towels to dry the balls before then placing them ontop of those little cones. So when the player comes over to take a throw-in, he ignores the ball that has been in play for the last 5 minutes on the wet grass and instead picks up the nice bone dry ball from the cone and throws that. I wonder whether the ball boys were instructed to only do this at the end Arsenal were attacking...

      This kind of thing would never have worked a few years back. Eboue would have picked up the dry ball and the first thing he would have done is bounce it onto the wet grass and back into his hands...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by redgunamo View Post
        I don't mind that so much. Favouritism towards one or other club is more or less a given in the league format of the national sport.

        Same with pundits, everyone can be deemed to have a bias, however noncontiguous, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do the job.
        Can you explain why we don't just fly the best referees in Europe in every weekend? The PL buy all the best players so why can't we buy the best refs too? Elimiates this potential bias too.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rich View Post
          Can you explain why we don't just fly the best referees in Europe in every weekend? The PL buy all the best players so why can't we buy the best refs too? Elimiates this potential bias too.
          I've long advocated this.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
            I've long advocated this.
            You cannot eliminate bias in sport. It's impossible.

            Presumably some of these non-biased officials of yours would hail from Germany, where in their completely non-biased way, they have seen fit to allow one club to win so many league titles that nobody can even name the team with the second most.

            And our game is truly gone if we need to hire refs from Italy, France or Spain in a bid to conquer purported favouritism and prejudice.
            "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

            "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by redgunamo View Post
              You cannot eliminate bias in sport. It's impossible.

              Presumably some of these non-biased officials of yours would hail from Germany, where in their completely non-biased way, they have seen fit to allow one club to win so many league titles that nobody can even name the team with the second most.

              And our game is truly gone if we need to hire refs from Italy, France or Spain in a bid to conquer purported favouritism and prejudice.
              We just need better refs and someone other than Howard Webb in charge. The chap who reffed our Port Vale match was very good. Probably let a few tough challenges go that PL managers won't like but on the whole, decent.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PSRB View Post
                We just need better refs and someone other than Howard Webb in charge. The chap who reffed our Port Vale match was very good. Probably let a few tough challenges go that PL managers won't like but on the whole, decent.
                For me it is the total lack of accountability. Respect for referees does NOT extend to excusing and defending their mistakes.

                When you watch Dermot Gallagher making pathetic excuses for the Gyokeres penalty incident ('foot was planted' - what the **** does that have to do with anything?) you can see the very culture that is creating the problem. Refs know best, they are and should be above criticism, and any accusation of error, incompetence or bias is met with closing ranks.

                It is a historical problem with football. Referees are ****ers who like throwing their weight around. You don't see it in other sports.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Peter View Post
                  For me it is the total lack of accountability. Respect for referees does NOT extend to excusing and defending their mistakes.

                  When you watch Dermot Gallagher making pathetic excuses for the Gyokeres penalty incident ('foot was planted' - what the **** does that have to do with anything?) you can see the very culture that is creating the problem. Refs know best, they are and should be above criticism, and any accusation of error, incompetence or bias is met with closing ranks.

                  It is a historical problem with football. Referees are ****ers who like throwing their weight around. You don't see it in other sports.
                  Keith Hackett is very fair on X. He says it was a clear penalty.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by redgunamo View Post
                    You cannot eliminate bias in sport. It's impossible.

                    Presumably some of these non-biased officials of yours would hail from Germany, where in their completely non-biased way, they have seen fit to allow one club to win so many league titles that nobody can even name the team with the second most.

                    And our game is truly gone if we need to hire refs from Italy, France or Spain in a bid to conquer purported favouritism and prejudice.
                    I'd just like us to get the best refs from Europe. They wouldn't be part of the PGMOL club who want to make football all about them. They'd just get on with the job, knowing that if no-one notices them, they'll have done a decent job, no set of fans would be complaining and they'd get the contract for next year, too, where they'd earn twice as much as they do in France or Italy and ten times as much as in Latvia.

                    They big payday would mean more to them than being the star of the show. They earn as much as the PM, ffs.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Peter View Post
                      For me it is the total lack of accountability. Respect for referees does NOT extend to excusing and defending their mistakes.

                      When you watch Dermot Gallagher making pathetic excuses for the Gyokeres penalty incident ('foot was planted' - what the **** does that have to do with anything?) you can see the very culture that is creating the problem. Refs know best, they are and should be above criticism, and any accusation of error, incompetence or bias is met with closing ranks.

                      It is a historical problem with football. Referees are ****ers who like throwing their weight around. You don't see it in other sports.
                      The foot was planted and didn't move but when Vik tried to skip over the leg, Pope raised his knee and took him out with that. It was deliberate.

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