Poor old Charlie Church.

[Peter]

Maybe my exaggeration clouded the point but "Safer than it would be if we shoved 100,000 guns on the streets, admittedly." was the only real point I'd intended to make.

{As an aside, all those Reform types who think London is full of no-go zones - while ignoring the fact that knife crime's hugely down - all support US gun laws. But maybe they think only gore {whites} should have guns?}

Para 2: I don't really want to spend all day discussing this point but if owning a gun doesn't give you the right to shoot someone, then why own it? Why should society take that risk - the risk the Maga kiddie openly supported - just cos some middle aged racist wants to forget how small his willy is?

Para 3: Again, that was meant as an aside. That point was simply to shut C etc up. I'm not some tribal lefty. {Though I am prob. a tribal, anti-gun Brit.} So I will treat them all the same whether they are Magas, wokes, or centrist heroes. Those who insist on their constitutional right to give AKs to grizzlies can't moan if they get shot.

{And again, I haven't seen any redcoats oppressing us or the Convicts since we both banned guns.}

I'm not disagreeing with you but I do think the idea of creating strict gun laws is a bit difficult. These people really believe in this ****. They're not going to drop their guns off at the tip.

And as for the amendment itself, I think we can all agree the US possesses a pretty well regulated militia.

I didn't like this Charlie character at all, I thought he was a ****. But I'm horrified he got killed.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I'm not disagreeing with you but I do think the idea of creating strict gun laws is a bit difficult. These people really believe in this ****. They're not going to drop their guns off at the tip.

And as for the amendment itself, I think we can all agree the US possesses a pretty well regulated militia.

I didn't like this Charlie character at all, I thought he was a ****. But I'm horrified he got killed.

In reverse order:

Para 3: Yes, we shouldn't have to say this but the gun has no place in democratic politics no matter how vile I find my opponent. But a: he came over and lectured us in Blighty about how we don't have free speech here. We responded by tutting cos that's what we do. He went back to the land of free speech and got shot dead while speaking. Again, no-one deserves to be shot but don't come over 'ere and lecture me, bruv.

Also, I find it funny that he literally said a few dead innocents was a fair price to pay. Or did he mean other innocents, just not him or his loved ones? In which case his hypocrisy reeks even more. Look, if in 7 years time we do a massive free rave for the 40th anniversary of Castlemorton and I get up on to the roof of the warehouse like in the old days, but I do so much K and Spesh I end up dancing over the edge and falling to my death, you lot would be perfectly entitled to laugh at me. Unlike him, I don't think dead ravers is a price worth paying. But I do know the risks I take getting off my head on the roof.

I think the reaction of the left is despicable. But he did say that innocent deaths are a price worth paying.

Para 2: Exactly. In 1776, a musket and some non-uniformed camo normal clothing helped beat our redcoats. An AR15 is no use against an Apache gunship, an F-35B, a swarm of drones and an ICBM. Pretending otherwise is pathetic. So this save us from the redcoats stuff is just nonsense. They just have a gun fetish and in all probability, what they really worry about is black people being armed while they're not.

Para 1: I fully agree. I don't wanna come over all Irish but it terms of outlawing guns, I wouldn't start from here if I were them. I don't claim to have a solution. All I claim is that if you fetishise your guns laws to such an extent that you think dead innocents is an acceptable price to pay, don't ask me not to laugh when you get shot. Especially when you've just come back from telling us we don't have free speech while you do.

I know Yanks don't get irony, and I accept that I'm going beyond irony into sarcasm and it's not very pleasant to use irony to hurt a family who are grieving a murdered love one, but I doubt they read Awimb and I never claimed to be pleasant.

Guns and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

[Chief Arrowhead]

"I know Yanks don't get irony, and I accept that I'm going beyond irony into sarcasm and it's not very pleasant to use irony to hurt a family who are grieving a murdered l
ove one, but I doubt they read Awimb and I never claimed to be pleasant."

Too right, mate. Bloody Septics are too thick to find their way here, unless their thick, gunpowder stained fingers happened to get them here by mistake. They should stick to rounders.

If a Septic would happen to stumble in here, he would quickly realise he is no intellectual match for a seasoned geezer like yourself who has had decades of brain altering substances that has honed his mind to peak reason and logic, the kind you can only get from an elephant with a turban.

[Peter]

"I know Yanks don't get irony, and I accept that I'm going beyond irony into sarcasm and it's not very pleasant to use irony to hurt a family who are grieving a murdered l
ove one, but I doubt they read Awimb and I never claimed to be pleasant."

Too right, mate. Bloody Septics are too thick to find their way here, unless their thick, gunpowder stained fingers happened to get them here by mistake. They should stick to rounders.

If a Septic would happen to stumble in here, he would quickly realise he is no intellectual match for a seasoned geezer like yourself who has had decades of brain altering substances that has honed his mind to peak reason and logic, the kind you can only get from an elephant with a turban.

Just a polite and innocent question, Chief. But you do you currently own a firearm?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

"I know Yanks don't get irony, and I accept that I'm going beyond irony into sarcasm and it's not very pleasant to use irony to hurt a family who are grieving a murdered l
ove one, but I doubt they read Awimb and I never claimed to be pleasant."

Too right, mate. Bloody Septics are too thick to find their way here, unless their thick, gunpowder stained fingers happened to get them here by mistake. They should stick to rounders.

If a Septic would happen to stumble in here, he would quickly realise he is no intellectual match for a seasoned geezer like yourself who has had decades of brain altering substances that has honed his mind to peak reason and logic, the kind you can only get from an elephant with a turban.

Come on Chief, it was won Septic wot was shot. Not all of you. I didn't tweet it or post it on the Fox News Facebook page. I posted it here. Where's there's only about half a dozen of us and we're probably all just Tony C's different log ins.

[Chief Arrowhead]

I have various firearms, . A quick inventory. ..

22 for shooting
5 for hunting
3 I carry

[Chief Arrowhead]

Ganpati: You have pretty much made any opinions you have irrelevant. Thus makes me sad because you have some excellent opinions about The Arsenal.

[Peter]

I have various firearms, . A quick inventory. ..

22 for shooting
5 for hunting
3 I carry

That does sound like a ****load of guns. An Arsenal, even

I don't even own a half decent bread knife..... then again you can't get half decent bread these days....

[Peter]

In reverse order:

Para 3: Yes, we shouldn't have to say this but the gun has no place in democratic politics no matter how vile I find my opponent. But a: he came over and lectured us in Blighty about how we don't have free speech here. We responded by tutting cos that's what we do. He went back to the land of free speech and got shot dead while speaking. Again, no-one deserves to be shot but don't come over 'ere and lecture me, bruv.

Also, I find it funny that he literally said a few dead innocents was a fair price to pay. Or did he mean other innocents, just not him or his loved ones? In which case his hypocrisy reeks even more. Look, if in 7 years time we do a massive free rave for the 40th anniversary of Castlemorton and I get up on to the roof of the warehouse like in the old days, but I do so much K and Spesh I end up dancing over the edge and falling to my death, you lot would be perfectly entitled to laugh at me. Unlike him, I don't think dead ravers is a price worth paying. But I do know the risks I take getting off my head on the roof.

I think the reaction of the left is despicable. But he did say that innocent deaths are a price worth paying.

Para 2: Exactly. In 1776, a musket and some non-uniformed camo normal clothing helped beat our redcoats. An AR15 is no use against an Apache gunship, an F-35B, a swarm of drones and an ICBM. Pretending otherwise is pathetic. So this save us from the redcoats stuff is just nonsense. They just have a gun fetish and in all probability, what they really worry about is black people being armed while they're not.

Para 1: I fully agree. I don't wanna come over all Irish but it terms of outlawing guns, I wouldn't start from here if I were them. I don't claim to have a solution. All I claim is that if you fetishise your guns laws to such an extent that you think dead innocents is an acceptable price to pay, don't ask me not to laugh when you get shot. Especially when you've just come back from telling us we don't have free speech while you do.

I know Yanks don't get irony, and I accept that I'm going beyond irony into sarcasm and it's not very pleasant to use irony to hurt a family who are grieving a murdered love one, but I doubt they read Awimb and I never claimed to be pleasant.

Guns and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

This isn't meant to be a criticism (well, it kind of is) but have you ever actually been to the US?

You have what appears to be a very one-dimensional view of a country that is far too large, complex and diverse to be captured in one dimension.

Some of the nicest and most welcoming, down to earth people I've ever met. Although your Texan can be a bit touchy

[Chief Arrowhead]

It's pretty much for fun, or hunting. Only almost drawn once where this guy was beating the **** out of this woman. I cleared my throat and showed. He scampered and then I assisted in her distress. I don't see anything like our Arsenal brother talks about, but then he must know because he's a world wide drug taker so I defer to his self-appointed superiority.

[PSRB]

This isn't meant to be a criticism (well, it kind of is) but have you ever actually been to the US?

You have what appears to be a very one-dimensional view of a country that is far too large, complex and diverse to be captured in one dimension.

Some of the nicest and most welcoming, down to earth people I've ever met. Although your Texan can be a bit touchy

I love the US, would move there in a heartbeat. Key West, happily retire there. Austin Grand Prix is on my bucket list as well.

[Peter]

I love the US, would move there in a heartbeat. Key West, happily retire there. Austin Grand Prix is on my bucket list as well.

I haven't seen nearly enough of it but I'll be putting that right over the next 5 or 10 years.

Assuming they let me in

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

That does sound like a ****load of guns. An Arsenal, even

I don't even own a half decent bread knife..... then again you can't get half decent bread these days....

We've had a Sabatier bread knife like this won for decades and it still works a treat:

https://www.sabatierknivesuk.co.uk/shop/bread-knives/bread-knife-20cm-stainless-steel-black-plastic-handle/

But why does a man need even more guns than the glw has shoes?

[PSRB]

I haven't seen nearly enough of it but I'll be putting that right over the next 5 or 10 years.

Assuming they let me in

Done East and West coasts, Vegas plus Atlanta (now that is an odd city), would like to do Texas and Mid-West.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

This isn't meant to be a criticism (well, it kind of is) but have you ever actually been to the US?

You have what appears to be a very one-dimensional view of a country that is far too large, complex and diverse to be captured in one dimension.

Some of the nicest and most welcoming, down to earth people I've ever met. Although your Texan can be a bit touchy

Of course I have. You really think I wouldn't have lived on Haight St? Bit like living in the 'Dam or in Goa, it's a sort of crusty boy scout badge you're expected to get at some point.

But only Cali - mostly SF and a while in LA once {which is by far the worst city I've ever visited. How can a first world city of 10m people not have a metro? SF's far smaller but their BART public transport system is perfectly serviceable.}

Different places appeal to different people. Reading the BTL comments in the Times, for example, and you see many Brits detest Parisians yet WES and I both love the gaff.

Likewise, many people would hate India. {And it's totally different if you're a woman, and that's from my glw who's been there loads on her own and speaks Hindi now. She says I still don't get just how differently she's treated when she's not with me.} But I love India.

America just seemed boring and backwards. The cities are grid systems, the food's vile, they seem relatively ignorant of the world beyond their borders and they've somehow misinterpreted the {crypto-Buddhist} words of Jesus and changed Turn The Other Cheek into shoot thy neighbour and Do Unto Others into do as we say, not as we do.

As with Tottnumb and Chelsea, I just don't like the place. {And I've never been to Manchester - just like I'd never go to China. Bet they're both worse than the US.} Individually, the people are lovely. So friendly and considerate. But when you have 300m of them brainwashed by their extremist capitalist system, it all turns sour.

However the white fluff crystal LSD you get in San Fran is by far the best on the planet.