This narrative that the premier league has been very weak this year which is why we

[Maravilloso Marvo]

George used to say something similar. We may not be the best team with the best players playing the best football but there's no excuse not to compete.

Was that not in the context of within each game? Being aggresive and winning your duals? You have to compete to win your duals, Amazon Prime showed us all that.

[Peter]

Yes, I know this and I've always said it. Winning the league and being better than Manchester City are two different things; the latter is practically impossible, far too much money involved. We'll have to settle for the former

Twenty-two years is a long time but, you must've seen that graphic doing the rounds; it's nowhere near the longest title-drought amongst teams who have actually won it before. We'll be alright.

It is our longest drought. Shorter than those of United and Liverpool.

Worth noting that only three men have ever won the league for United. Their achievements are built on the huge success of two men and two eras. Outside of those, they've been pretty ****e....

[Maravilloso Marvo]

It is our longest drought. Shorter than those of United and Liverpool.

Worth noting that only three men have ever won the league for United. Their achievements are built on the huge success of two men and two eras. Outside of those, they've been pretty ****e....

This insight is incredibly interesting P.

I don't know much about us winning the league in 48 and 53. In my mind, you have the Herbert Chapman success in the 30s, then Bertie Mee in 71, then George Graham and Wenger.

Then I appreciate it is probably because of my age, but these last 22 years have literally flown by. So couple that together with my mind thinking that the gaps further back were an eternity and I am left very confused by the concept of time.

Also, very interesting viewpoint on the histories of Man Utd and Liverpool.

[redgunamo]

It is our longest drought. Shorter than those of United and Liverpool.

Worth noting that only three men have ever won the league for United. Their achievements are built on the huge success of two men and two eras. Outside of those, they've been pretty ****e....

Right. I looked it up awhile ago. In our lifetimes, we've come up against four dominant sides. Six of our league rivals have won the European Cup.

We suffer because they are (obviously) not all dominant at the same time. Liverpool take a breather then Manchester United take over. Then Chelsea for a bit then Manchester City. Both of those have had fifty-year title droughts as well, although they are not thought of as such as they were both nowhere in any case.

That's why everyone hates us

[redgunamo]

This insight is incredibly interesting P.

I don't know much about us winning the league in 48 and 53. In my mind, you have the Herbert Chapman success in the 30s, then Bertie Mee in 71, then George Graham and Wenger.

Then I appreciate it is probably because of my age, but these last 22 years have literally flown by. So couple that together with my mind thinking that the gaps further back were an eternity and I am left very confused by the concept of time.

Also, very interesting viewpoint on the histories of Man Utd and Liverpool.

Back in the day, there was no law saying you had to win the league every season. So you could win the title and still consider yourselves a title-winning club ten or twenty years later.

Then the greed set in and we've never really responded to that. Maybe until now.

[Peter]

This insight is incredibly interesting P.

I don't know much about us winning the league in 48 and 53. In my mind, you have the Herbert Chapman success in the 30s, then Bertie Mee in 71, then George Graham and Wenger.

Then I appreciate it is probably because of my age, but these last 22 years have literally flown by. So couple that together with my mind thinking that the gaps further back were an eternity and I am left very confused by the concept of time.

Also, very interesting viewpoint on the histories of Man Utd and Liverpool.

Definitely an age thing. It is very hard to believe it has been 22 years. But our previous longest gap was 18 years. 53 to 71, and then 71 to 89. One title in 36 years! And I missed it by a year

When i was young United were average. A decent side who spent a lot, had loads of fans but never did much. Bit like the last ten years

As a club, they are in a mess. We have to give our guys a lot of credit for scrapping that idiotic structure that ruined Emery's time with us, and finding one that works. And having the guts to accept how far we had sunk and how long they had to give Arteta to turn it around. None of the ego you see at other clubs, that leads to impatience and turmoil.

It feels like United are still having that conversation. I hope they keep going

[Rich]

3 PL teams in the 3x European competition finals. This is the hardest league to win and by some distance.

You'd also think that would make it harder for our sides at a European level and perhaps that is true in the CL. The fact that you must play at 100% every weekend must mean you're more prone to injury / less able to give 100% in the CL.

I suppose that's why PL clubs need deeper squads then their European counterparts.

[redgunamo]

You'd also think that would make it harder for our sides at a European level and perhaps that is true in the CL. The fact that you must play at 100% every weekend must mean you're more prone to injury / less able to give 100% in the CL.

I suppose that's why PL clubs need deeper squads then their European counterparts.

Either that or they can lower the temperature of each game, like we did; lots of sideways passing, less chaos, reduced high-pressing, ball-chasing and less sprinting long distances back towards our own goal.