Is it simply my bias that makes me think Rooney on MotD is utterly useless?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I'm trying not to judge him on how much I disliked him as a player. And he doesn't hate us like Neville, he's clearly trying to be positive which is great to see.

It's just that he finds it really hard to speak. And when he eventually manages to get the words out, they don't make much sense.

Listening to him analyse Vik's second:

Er, he runs straight which allows him to get the header away.

So is it just me or is the spud-faced granny-shagger just not that articulate or insightful?

[Peter]

I'm trying not to judge him on how much I disliked him as a player. And he doesn't hate us like Neville, he's clearly trying to be positive which is great to see.

It's just that he finds it really hard to speak. And when he eventually manages to get the words out, they don't make much sense.

Listening to him analyse Vik's second:

Er, he runs straight which allows him to get the header away.

So is it just me or is the spud-faced granny-shagger just not that articulate or insightful?

It isnt just you.

But he is a pundit. Insight is not really in the job description and being articulate almost makes you over qualified.

If you've played for England and United, you're in. And we have to put up with you for decades.

Has Alan Shearer ever said anything that you considered worth hearing? Ever?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

It isnt just you.

But he is a pundit. Insight is not really in the job description and being articulate almost makes you over qualified.

If you've played for England and United, you're in. And we have to put up with you for decades.

Has Alan Shearer ever said anything that you considered worth hearing? Ever?

Thing is, I like Alan Shearer. I think it was around December 2001, we lost 3-1 at home to NUFC. We were 1-0 up in the first half and then Graham Poll sent off the Romford Pele for a 2nd yellow foul on Shearer even though Shearer told Poll that it was never a yellow and he should put his card away.

With 5 mins left, with the score at 1-1, he gave them a pelanty for a tackle we won cleanly. And as we pushed for an equaliser, they scored a 3rd on the break in stoppage time.

Titi went to attack Poll at the final whistle, but Shearer grabbed him and put his arm around him and pulled him away, telling Titi that he couldn't change the result and we could still win the title but not if he got himself a long suspension for lumping Poll.

I'd hated Shearer before that, but have loved him ever since.

We drew 3 and won 18 of our remaining league games.

So what Shearer said to Titi as he grabbed him was well worth hearing.

And he turned down the Mancs twice.

[Peter]

Thing is, I like Alan Shearer. I think it was around December 2001, we lost 3-1 at home to NUFC. We were 1-0 up in the first half and then Graham Poll sent off the Romford Pele for a 2nd yellow foul on Shearer even though Shearer told Poll that it was never a yellow and he should put his card away.

With 5 mins left, with the score at 1-1, he gave them a pelanty for a tackle we won cleanly. And as we pushed for an equaliser, they scored a 3rd on the break in stoppage time.

Titi went to attack Poll at the final whistle, but Shearer grabbed him and put his arm around him and pulled him away, telling Titi that he couldn't change the result and we could still win the title but not if he got himself a long suspension for lumping Poll.

I'd hated Shearer before that, but have loved him ever since.

We drew 3 and won 18 of our remaining league games.

So what Shearer said to Titi as he grabbed him was well worth hearing.

And he turned down the Mancs twice.

As I recall, Henry was charged for that incident.

He turned down United for more money at Blackburn. Although after that he turned them down to play for Newcatle- I can actually respect that.

I was of course referring to his work as a pundit but thank you for reminding me of that horrific game

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

As I recall, Henry was charged for that incident.

He turned down United for more money at Blackburn. Although after that he turned them down to play for Newcatle- I can actually respect that.

I was of course referring to his work as a pundit but thank you for reminding me of that horrific game

Was Titi charged? He certainly didn't get suspended.

It was a horrific game but started a great run to the double.

I much preferred Shearer and IWWW to the ones they have now.

[Peter]

Was Titi charged? He certainly didn't get suspended.

It was a horrific game but started a great run to the double.

I much preferred Shearer and IWWW to the ones they have now.

He got a three game suspension. And the hearing was delayed until March so that any ban didnt occur while he was out with a groin injury.

Bobby Robson and Newcastle kicked up a huge stink because the timing of the ban meant that he didnt miss the cup game against them. But Bergkamp made them look like ****s in that game anyway

By the way, after the Graham Poll game Bobby Robson said 'some people need to learn how to lose'. I dont care what he did for England, he can **** off. He was an absolute ****er to Wenger.

****ing geordies

[John Bunnell]

I feel the same about Ian Wright. He is a horrendous pundit. He stutters constantly and just adds zero value to discussions other than being a bit of a cheeky geezer.

[redgunamo]

I'm trying not to judge him on how much I disliked him as a player. And he doesn't hate us like Neville, he's clearly trying to be positive which is great to see.

It's just that he finds it really hard to speak. And when he eventually manages to get the words out, they don't make much sense.

Listening to him analyse Vik's second:

Er, he runs straight which allows him to get the header away.

So is it just me or is the spud-faced granny-shagger just not that articulate or insightful?

He's a footballer, G. They're all like that. Expecting coherence speech and insight from any of them is rather like my hounds explaining coursing; they're very good at it but their views on the topic will necessarily be mostly nonsense, unintelligible.

Having said that, Rooney is an Everton man who played for Manchester United. He probably quite likes Arteta, certainly he would rather the Arsenal won than Liverpool or Manchester City.

[Peter]

He's a footballer, G. They're all like that. Expecting coherence speech and insight from any of them is rather like my hounds explaining coursing; they're very good at it but their views on the topic will necessarily be mostly nonsense, unintelligible.

Having said that, Rooney is an Everton man who played for Manchester United. He probably quite likes Arteta, certainly he would rather the Arsenal won than Liverpool or Manchester City.

Very well put

I dont think it is just the limitations of the pundits. It is also the audience. Most football fans see the game in incredibly simple terms. They need very basic analysis. They like it.

I remember watching Terry Venables talking about coaching and how important it was to keep the messages simple- because you are giving those messages to footballers.....

[7sisters]

Very well put

I dont think it is just the limitations of the pundits. It is also the audience. Most football fans see the game in incredibly simple terms. They need very basic analysis. They like it.

I remember watching Terry Venables talking about coaching and how important it was to keep the messages simple- because you are giving those messages to footballers.....

Possibly why Dalgleish and Ferguson were so revered.
I could barely understand either of them.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Very well put

I dont think it is just the limitations of the pundits. It is also the audience. Most football fans see the game in incredibly simple terms. They need very basic analysis. They like it.

I remember watching Terry Venables talking about coaching and how important it was to keep the messages simple- because you are giving those messages to footballers.....

I'm no tactical guru but even I would have thought saying "er, Vik ran in a straight line so, er, he could head the ball" is a bit simplistic. If you wanna analyse that goal, it was B's wayward pass and Gabby jumping into rescue the situation in such a way that he found Leo perfectly and set him away on the counter.

If B had played the pass better, we wouldn't have been able to break like that.

But as Rooney's up for us winning, I'll take it. Dunno who that Manc is next to him but he's against us. Really hope that we win it this year and Neville's really uphappy as a result.

[Peter]

I'm no tactical guru but even I would have thought saying "er, Vik ran in a straight line so, er, he could head the ball" is a bit simplistic. If you wanna analyse that goal, it was B's wayward pass and Gabby jumping into rescue the situation in such a way that he found Leo perfectly and set him away on the counter.

If B had played the pass better, we wouldn't have been able to break like that.

But as Rooney's up for us winning, I'll take it. Dunno who that Manc is next to him but he's against us. Really hope that we win it this year and Neville's really uphappy as a result.

Apart from anything else, he doesn't run in a straight line. He pulls up, waits, and then quietly takes three steps away from play to give himself space.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Apart from anything else, he doesn't run in a straight line. He pulls up, waits, and then quietly takes three steps away from play to give himself space.

For your benefit, P, I have just got Wazza's analysis open in another tab and this is what he says:

"And Gyokeres's movement is just a straight line. He doesn't really do anything, there's very little movement but it gets him in the middle of the goal...."

I hope you're not implying that you provide more intelligent and insightful analysis that our Wazza. National treasure an' all that. Not his fault his IQ's lower than his shirt number.

But as he wants us to win and never played for a financially-doped petrodollar team, I'll give him a bye.

[Chief Arrowhead]

By the way, after the Graham Poll game Bobby Robson said 'some people need to learn how to lose'. I dont care what he did for England, he can **** off. He was an absolute ****er to Wenger.

****ing geordies

I remember that quite well. It was basically the 'anti-French' component of the old guard football elite along with the media. I remember noticing that in the written media it as always "... Wenger, the Frenchman,.." to obliquely recognize that he 'ain't one of us'. Looking back they viewed it as somehow some sort of cheating that Wenger tapped the market of world class French footballers that the Anglo-centric football culture of the time ignored. It made the 'old guard' look foolish. Of course the referees were right there with them in how they reffed the matches. What made it doubly perplexing was how they gave tongue baths to Cantona. Guess that was the ManU/Fergie factor.

[Peter]

For your benefit, P, I have just got Wazza's analysis open in another tab and this is what he says:

"And Gyokeres's movement is just a straight line. He doesn't really do anything, there's very little movement but it gets him in the middle of the goal...."

I hope you're not implying that you provide more intelligent and insightful analysis that our Wazza. National treasure an' all that. Not his fault his IQ's lower than his shirt number.

But as he wants us to win and never played for a financially-doped petrodollar team, I'll give him a bye.

For the first goal he is right. For Vik's second, he is wrong.

But, it really doesn't matter. He was where he needed to be and he scored. Doesn't really matter how he got there

Rooney can **** off. Sol Campbell's leg. Fresh air. Mike Riley's whistle...... I wont forget that in a hurry.