Nwaneri and MLS off in the summer then. Or at least Arsenal willing to sell.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

We may think they are not good enough for us, but we need others to imagine we believe they are good enough for us so they'll pay fifty million quid each for them. Tricky.

I think the excuse is finances. Selling them is pure profit on the books.

[redgunamo]

I think being willing to sell them kind of gives the game away.

We may think they are not good enough for us, but we need others to imagine we believe they are good enough for us so they'll pay fifty million quid each for them. Tricky.

[Peter]

No, we merely need to convince other clubs we think they will be

I think being willing to sell them kind of gives the game away.

[redgunamo]

I get your point. But that is a silly business model. You sell the ones that aren't good enough- fine, no problem. But selling 18 year olds because they are not good enough YET is ridiculous. If you think they will be, you dont sell them.

No, we merely need to convince other clubs we think they will be

[Peter]

Reiss Nelson is still an Arsenal player. Had we sold him 3 years ago we?d have got a lot more money than we will this summer.

Nwaneri and MLS aren?t going to be starters for us for many years as they?re not yet good enough. So cash in and take full 100% value to invest in players like Alvarez who do move the needle.

I get your point. But that is a silly business model. You sell the ones that aren't good enough- fine, no problem. But selling 18 year olds because they are not good enough YET is ridiculous. If you think they will be, you dont sell them.

And I dont see us buying Alvarez. But then with Berta it is much harder to predict what we will do.

[Rich]

Nor is Madueke. That's my point.... and at 24 it is pretty unlikely he ever will be.

We've let academy players go. Smith Rowe, Eddie, and Reiss Nelson if anyone would actually take him. We're not shy in admitting that players are good but not good enough.

It has been an astonishing turnaround for both of them. If I had told you a year ago that we'd be moving both of them on this summer you'd have thought I was crazy.

Reiss Nelson is still an Arsenal player. Had we sold him 3 years ago we?d have got a lot more money than we will this summer.

Nwaneri and MLS aren?t going to be starters for us for many years as they?re not yet good enough. So cash in and take full 100% value to invest in players like Alvarez who do move the needle.

[Peter]

Madueke would start for Marseille every week. Unfortunately as Arsenal fans we have a tendency to over-inflate our opinions on our academy graduates. Big clubs don?t do that.

City have let go Cole Palmer, Morgan Rodgers, Brahim Diaz, Sancho, Douglas Luiz to name a few (and there are many others). Not because they are bad players but because they aren?t at the level at the right time.

Clearly Nwaneri and MLS are not ready to start regularly for one of the top clubs in world football yet. So we cash in now. Can always bring them back if they achieve their potential.

Nor is Madueke. That's my point.... and at 24 it is pretty unlikely he ever will be.

We've let academy players go. Smith Rowe, Eddie, and Reiss Nelson if anyone would actually take him. We're not shy in admitting that players are good but not good enough.

It has been an astonishing turnaround for both of them. If I had told you a year ago that we'd be moving both of them on this summer you'd have thought I was crazy.

[Rich]

Ok, I choose goals and assists.

Nwaneri last season- 9 goals, 2 assists, from 37 games
Madueke this season- 5 goals, I assist, from 29 games.

And bear in mind that Nwaneri was 18 when achieving those stats. Madueke is 24 with four senior seasons behind him.

Nwaneri needs to develop his game and has plenty of room for improvement. Madueke is not without ability, but his touch cant keep up with his pace and his decision making is dog****.

If you offered the other 19 clubs in the Premier league a choice, every single one of them would choose Nwaneri.

And while we are on stats, I noticed the other day that Alvarez has scored exactly the same number of goals as Gyokeres this season

Madueke would start for Marseille every week. Unfortunately as Arsenal fans we have a tendency to over-inflate our opinions on our academy graduates. Big clubs don?t do that.

City have let go Cole Palmer, Morgan Rodgers, Brahim Diaz, Sancho, Douglas Luiz to name a few (and there are many others). Not because they are bad players but because they aren?t at the level at the right time.

Clearly Nwaneri and MLS are not ready to start regularly for one of the top clubs in world football yet. So we cash in now. Can always bring them back if they achieve their potential.

[Peter]

But Madueke is a significantly better right winger than Nwaneri. Measurable by any metric you choose.

He may be better centrally long term but it?s not a position you explode in until much later.

Drop the sentiment- he?s not good enough to get in the Marseilles team and was often not good enough to make our bench.

Get ?50m and you take it - especially as an academy product. That alone pays for Alvarez (who was on another planet against Barca )

Ok, I choose goals and assists.

Nwaneri last season- 9 goals, 2 assists, from 37 games
Madueke this season- 5 goals, I assist, from 29 games.

And bear in mind that Nwaneri was 18 when achieving those stats. Madueke is 24 with four senior seasons behind him.

Nwaneri needs to develop his game and has plenty of room for improvement. Madueke is not without ability, but his touch cant keep up with his pace and his decision making is dog****.

If you offered the other 19 clubs in the Premier league a choice, every single one of them would choose Nwaneri.

And while we are on stats, I noticed the other day that Alvarez has scored exactly the same number of goals as Gyokeres this season

[Rich]

Or we could have just kept Nwaneri and kept the 50 million we blew on Madueke.

But Madueke is a significantly better right winger than Nwaneri. Measurable by any metric you choose.

He may be better centrally long term but it?s not a position you explode in until much later.

Drop the sentiment- he?s not good enough to get in the Marseilles team and was often not good enough to make our bench.

Get ?50m and you take it - especially as an academy product. That alone pays for Alvarez (who was on another planet against Barca )

[Peter]

Sell while their stock his high. Or we?ll end up taking ?20m for each. Club want ?50m for each to start conversations.

Or we could have just kept Nwaneri and kept the 50 million we blew on Madueke.

[Rich]

Both players looked great last season. And we still haven't seen MLS in MF. I'd like to know if he could take Norgie's place in the squad the year after next. If I think about my fave goals this season, Kai's first touch and finish midweek is up there, as is Easy's gorgeous volley. But that one where MLS burst up field and played it to Gabby for a first time curled finish into the bottom corner was a sexy as any of them.

I'd like a season on loan for both of them before we think about flogging them.

Sell while their stock his high. Or we?ll end up taking ?20m for each. Club want ?50m for each to start conversations.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Good from the club -finally behaving like a big club rather than thinking everyone in the academy is the next prodigal son.

Just insert buy back clauses imo.

Both players looked great last season. And we still haven't seen MLS in MF. I'd like to know if he could take Norgie's place in the squad the year after next. If I think about my fave goals this season, Kai's first touch and finish midweek is up there, as is Easy's gorgeous volley. But that one where MLS burst up field and played it to Gabby for a first time curled finish into the bottom corner was a sexy as any of them.

I'd like a season on loan for both of them before we think about flogging them.

[Rich]

Good from the club -finally behaving like a big club rather than thinking everyone in the academy is the next prodigal son.

Just insert buy back clauses imo.