The absolute worst thing about that ****show

[Sir C]

Is the knowledge that Gary Neville is touching his shrivelled little appendage with delight

[redgunamo]

Is the knowledge that Gary Neville is touching his shrivelled little appendage with delight

Apparently he's predicted a few weeks ago that, while we would still ultimately prevail, Manchester City would overtake us once or twice along the way. Which I thought was awfully kind of him.

[pjlincs]

Is the knowledge that Gary Neville is touching his shrivelled little appendage with delight

Neville also said he thought MLS would be a better bet to replace Hincapi? than bringing on White and moving Timber across. I was thinking at that moment that MLS would be a better bet to bring into left midfield than Eze. Sadly I don't think he could have been any less ineffective as it turned out.

[Peter]

Neville also said he thought MLS would be a better bet to replace Hincapi? than bringing on White and moving Timber across. I was thinking at that moment that MLS would be a better bet to bring into left midfield than Eze. Sadly I don't think he could have been any less ineffective as it turned out.

Too many changes and too early. I would have gone with Gyokeres and Martinelli first and given it ten minutes.

I know the midfield wasn't really firing but I had no real belief that Eze would make a difference.

All that said, I don't thino any of this would necessarily have worked. Our heads were totally scrambled. I couldn't see a way out. Nor could Arteta.

[PSRB]

Too many changes and too early. I would have gone with Gyokeres and Martinelli first and given it ten minutes.

I know the midfield wasn't really firing but I had no real belief that Eze would make a difference.

All that said, I don't thino any of this would necessarily have worked. Our heads were totally scrambled. I couldn't see a way out. Nor could Arteta.

The 4 subs wouldn't have helped. It just looked like a panicked reaction. We still very nearly got ourselves out of the hole we'd dug. 9/10 Cunha doesn't hit it that well.

[Peter]

The 4 subs wouldn't have helped. It just looked like a panicked reaction. We still very nearly got ourselves out of the hole we'd dug. 9/10 Cunha doesn't hit it that well.

One of those days. They hit two absolute screamers. But.... we dug our own grave.

Not overly worried about losing one game but the manner of the collapse is incredibly worrying. I am afraid I just dont believe that will be a one off. It's going to happen again.

Are we going to see the same mental collapse if we make it to a cup final?

[Rich]

One of those days. They hit two absolute screamers. But.... we dug our own grave.

Not overly worried about losing one game but the manner of the collapse is incredibly worrying. I am afraid I just dont believe that will be a one off. It's going to happen again.

Are we going to see the same mental collapse if we make it to a cup final?

Maybe it's just what we needed and at the right time. United were superb too - let's not forget that.

[John Bunnell]

We can't attribute it to United being superb. Our last 3 results Loss, draw, draw and 2 of these are home games. We are in a rut of being completely toothless. I always worried this will happen as we are too reliant on on set pieces (regardless of supposedly being 2nd for open play goals). I don't think I've truly, consistently enjoyed the football we play. It's so slow and tiresome. There's no sexy eye of the needle football and our wingers are overrated as f**k bar Martinelli who actually has potential to be world class, not Saka who everyone blows for some reason. You lot must have forgotten Sanchez now that's what a world class winger looked like.

[Peter]

We can't attribute it to United being superb. Our last 3 results Loss, draw, draw and 2 of these are home games. We are in a rut of being completely toothless. I always worried this will happen as we are too reliant on on set pieces (regardless of supposedly being 2nd for open play goals). I don't think I've truly, consistently enjoyed the football we play. It's so slow and tiresome. There's no sexy eye of the needle football and our wingers are overrated as f**k bar Martinelli who actually has potential to be world class, not Saka who everyone blows for some reason. You lot must have forgotten Sanchez now that's what a world class winger looked like.

Apart from anything else, United were not superb. They scored two outrageous goals and that aside they created nothing other than the things we gifted them.

We've been playing tightrope football all season and surviving on fine margins 90% of the time. And yes, more often than not the football is frustrating, dull and predictable.

In the last three games the pressure has got to us. In the first two we looked toothless. Yesterday we were just complete chaos from the minute we took the lead.

We've had problems all season but yesterday was really just about mental disintegration. We choked.

[WES]

One of those days. They hit two absolute screamers. But.... we dug our own grave.

Not overly worried about losing one game but the manner of the collapse is incredibly worrying. I am afraid I just dont believe that will be a one off. It's going to happen again.

Are we going to see the same mental collapse if we make it to a cup final?

That ORC like defender will probably never score another goal like that in his life. I was reminded of that useless Dm that scored from 3O yards against us in the 4-4 at Newcastle. Only goal the useless c*nt probably ever scored

And if we're honest, leading the league by 4 points with Trossard Gyokeres and Saka as our best front 3 is an achievement.

Trossard is more useful than good, Gyokeres is still settling and Saka has been poor, certainly relative to his reputation and salary.

Maybe that's just who we are this season. Great at the back, capable of controlling a game from midfield but not all that up front.



And despite the ****ing over Zubi on here and in the press, he just makes far too many basic errors for me. Again, might just need to settle

[Peter]

Maybe it's just what we needed and at the right time. United were superb too - let's not forget that.

Ah, the wake up call. Yeah, I'm not sure that really works here. Certainly didn't at half time.

He needs to fill the players with confidence that they can do this. I'm not sure how you do that when you coach tactics of cautuon and control. That breeds fear, not confidence.

[Rich]

Ah, the wake up call. Yeah, I'm not sure that really works here. Certainly didn't at half time.

He needs to fill the players with confidence that they can do this. I'm not sure how you do that when you coach tactics of cautuon and control. That breeds fear, not confidence.

I think that it's his modus operandi because of the lack of talent in the forward line at the club. He is on record as saying that he wants a side where two or three players can contribute 20 goals a season. Right now I'd be shocked if one of our players managed 10.

However - important to realize that this was a necessity. It's cheaper to do a full rebuild from the back forwards since defenders are more abundant and therefore cheaper in the most part. Now comes the challenge of adding certainly a left forward, certainly a central forward and likely a right forward - won't be cheap but that's why we pay Berta.

[Rich]

Ah, the wake up call. Yeah, I'm not sure that really works here. Certainly didn't at half time.

He needs to fill the players with confidence that they can do this. I'm not sure how you do that when you coach tactics of cautuon and control. That breeds fear, not confidence.

Oliver Holt has a good piece in the Daily Mail whcih I agree with.... The likes of Rice & Gabriel are not really the types to shrink away from an opportunity to win big.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15498303/arsenal-mikel-arteta-premier-league-title.html

[Peter]

I think that it's his modus operandi because of the lack of talent in the forward line at the club. He is on record as saying that he wants a side where two or three players can contribute 20 goals a season. Right now I'd be shocked if one of our players managed 10.

However - important to realize that this was a necessity. It's cheaper to do a full rebuild from the back forwards since defenders are more abundant and therefore cheaper in the most part. Now comes the challenge of adding certainly a left forward, certainly a central forward and likely a right forward - won't be cheap but that's why we pay Berta.

The trouble with that argument is you are talking about Saka, Martinelli, Trossard, Havertz. There is a reason why I i think they can contribute close to 20 goals each. And I think you know what that reason is.

Arteta needs to ask himself why the stronger our squad gets, the fewer goals we score.

Last season killed Odegaard and Martinelli. This season Saka is really suffering. Why?

[John Bunnell]

And despite the ****ing over Zubi on here and in the press, he just makes far too many basic errors for me. Again, might just need to settle

Yeah. Another player that gets knobbed off. He folds like a deck chair when a game is screaming for someone to step up. Spanish Mummy's boy.