Donald Trump

[Sir C]

Behold. The festering carcass of American rot shoved into an ill-fitting suit: the sleaze of a conman, the cowardice of a draft dodger, the gluttony of a parasite, the racism of a Klansman, the sexism of a Doack-alley creep, the ignorance of a bar-stool drunk, and the greed of a hedge-fund ghoul ? all spray-painted orange and paraded like a prize hog at a county fair. Not a president. Not even a man.
Just the diseased distillation of everything this country swears it isn't but has always been-arrogance dressed up as exceptionalism, stupidity passed off as common sense, cruelty sold as toughness, greed exalted as ambition, and corruption worshiped like gospel. It is America's shadow made flesh, a rotting pumpkin idol proving that when a nation kneels before
money, power, and spite, it doesn't just lose its soul-it sh*ts out this bloated obscenity and calls it a leader.

Rude, foul, arrogant, vulgar, narcissistic, probably mentally ill - even more so than you. Where the Orange filth is better than you is that he?s often right. Europe has sat on its smug arse and left he heavy lifting on security to the US. The UN is a talking shop that achieves nothing. Obviously I hate the **** but **** me, the world of Blair, Cameron, Merkel, Biden, von der Leyen, Trudeau, Starmer and Davos needs destroying.

[Peter]

Rude, foul, arrogant, vulgar, narcissistic, probably mentally ill - even more so than you. Where the Orange filth is better than you is that he?s often right. Europe has sat on its smug arse and left he heavy lifting on security to the US. The UN is a talking shop that achieves nothing. Obviously I hate the **** but **** me, the world of Blair, Cameron, Merkel, Biden, von der Leyen, Trudeau, Starmer and Davos needs destroying.

The UN is a complete irrelevance. It's dead.

As for the rest of it. It depends what you mean by security, I suppose.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

The thing with Trump is that what he says and how he behaves is far worse than what he actually does.

For example, Nixon committed treason by sabotaging Johnson's peace talks over Vietnam as he needed the issue as an election pledge. He then continued the war long after he knew it unwinnable as he didn't want the inevitable fall of Saigon to affect his re election. And then there is Watergate...... and his resignation timed perfectly so that his successor could pardon him.

That's all pretty ****ing bad.

And there's Adolf, as you say. Stalin was no saint, Putin neither.

And dont get me started on Lord John Russell....or Thatcher.....

Trump's legacy will be his total disregard for the office of President.

Still think Lytton starving 15m Indians - 2.5x the Holocaust total - is worse. And all because of an obsession with laissez faire economics.

[Peter]

Still think Lytton starving 15m Indians - 2.5x the Holocaust total - is worse. And all because of an obsession with laissez faire economics.

Precisely the same issue in the response to the great hunger in Ireland. And it cost millions of lives. (Hence Lord John Russell).

Admittedly, the root causes of it were not entirely his fault. Still.... what a ****.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Precisely the same issue in the response to the great hunger in Ireland. And it cost millions of lives. (Hence Lord John Russell).

Admittedly, the root causes of it were not entirely his fault. Still.... what a ****.

1m dead and 2m emigrated, roughly.

1877-8 in India was an El-Ni?o famine and both Moghul India and Qing China had far more success historically with dealing with their El-Ni?o famines. Because for all their myriad faults, the Moghuls and the Qing Chinese weren't Tory free-market obsessives.

Btw, "the root causes" - spuds are tubers, not roots.

{Well, according to google anyway. I haven't got a clue what either term means and what the differences are. We've only grown herbs, and last year, a few leeks and spring onions along with ****loads of cucumbers.

But given how quickly those green feckers took over our garden, the Paddies should just have planted them instead of spuds and then Russel could have fed them all on cucumber sarnies. If our garden last summer was anything to go by, a bit of rain and a bit of sunshine would have seen everywhere between Cork and Londonderry covered in cucumbers. It was like Day of the Triffids - if you could make a Greek Salad out of triffids.}

[Peter]

1m dead and 2m emigrated, roughly.

1877-8 in India was an El-Ni?o famine and both Moghul India and Qing China had far more success historically with dealing with their El-Ni?o famines. Because for all their myriad faults, the Moghuls and the Qing Chinese weren't Tory free-market obsessives.

Btw, "the root causes" - spuds are tubers, not roots.

{Well, according to google anyway. I haven't got a clue what either term means and what the differences are. We've only grown herbs, and last year, a few leeks and spring onions along with ****loads of cucumbers.

But given how quickly those green feckers took over our garden, the Paddies should just have planted them instead of spuds and then Russel could have fed them all on cucumber sarnies. If our garden last summer was anything to go by, a bit of rain and a bit of sunshine would have seen everywhere between Cork and Londonderry covered in cucumbers. It was like Day of the Triffids - if you could make a Greek Salad out of triffids.}

Put simply, a tuber is a swelling within the stem of a plant, rather than a product of the root

And yes, I only know that because of my interest in the hunger.

The reference to root causes was not intended as a pun.

[redgunamo]

Agreed, but I thought he was done with his comments on John McCain and he survived

The McCain Affair was instructive because though he was roundly mistrusted, even distrusted, by decent, ordinary conservative folk, he was in fact merely The Left's strong idea of what a decent ordinary conservative actually looked like. And therefore some sort of sacred cow.

[Peter]

The McCain Affair was instructive because though he was roundly mistrusted, even distrusted, by decent, ordinary conservative folk, he was in fact merely The Left's strong idea of what a decent ordinary conservative actually looked like. And therefore some sort of sacred cow.

However you slice it, Americans dont usually take kindly to somebody showing such blatant disrespect towards someone else's military service.

For that disrespect to come directly from the Commander in Chief would normally be unthinkable.

Trump has rewritten the rules. He's showing Americans who they really are when nobody is watching. It's just that everybody is watching.

[redgunamo]

However you slice it, Americans dont usually take kindly to somebody showing such blatant disrespect towards someone else's military service.

For that disrespect to come directly from the Commander in Chief would normally be unthinkable.

Trump has rewritten the rules. He's showing Americans who they really are when nobody is watching. It's just that everybody is watching.

No, we're long passed that stage and views about war are complicated, nuanced. After all, Bill Clinton had been winning elections since the Seventies, long after it became known that he'd actually joined anti-war protests while he himself dodged the draft, hiding at Oxford. Unthinkable ..

[Peter]

No, we're long passed that stage and views about war are complicated, nuanced. After all, Bill Clinton had been winning elections since the Seventies, long after it became known that he'd actually joined anti-war protests while he himself dodged the draft, hiding at Oxford. Unthinkable ..

Views about war have always been complicated. Views about service usually aren't.

It is fine for a President to have been a draft dodger. They all were. But showing such disrespect to the service of others is new territory.

[redgunamo]

Views about war have always been complicated. Views about service usually aren't.

It is fine for a President to have been a draft dodger. They all were. But showing such disrespect to the service of others is new territory.

The idea that one's military service rendered one unimpeachable and above scrutiny electorally; that all changed forever in '92, along with the notion that being overseas and protesting against your own government's military actions would be disqualifying for a putative commander-in chief.

This is just the natural extension of a 'that and it has been a real weight off conservatives' shoulders politically.

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Rude, foul, arrogant, vulgar, narcissistic, probably mentally ill - even more so than you. Where the Orange filth is better than you is that he?s often right. Europe has sat on its smug arse and left he heavy lifting on security to the US. The UN is a talking shop that achieves nothing. Obviously I hate the **** but **** me, the world of Blair, Cameron, Merkel, Biden, von der Leyen, Trudeau, Starmer and Davos needs destroying.

What's your formation with that lineup? Blair in his best position? Can't believe you left out Henry etc etc.

[Peter]

The McCain Affair was instructive because though he was roundly mistrusted, even distrusted, by decent, ordinary conservative folk, he was in fact merely The Left's strong idea of what a decent ordinary conservative actually looked like. And therefore some sort of sacred cow.

I love the fact that we are talking about McCain and potatoes in the same thread