Don't want to have a go at him but Saka has been poor

[redgunamo]

We are stalling, and what we are doing isnt getting us over this hump. It is time to start looking for new answers. That might be changing captains, or trying to score goals. Let's think radical!

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present, etc etc

We may walk slowly, but we NEVER walk back.

There's no real hurry. We'll get there

[Peter]

The table tells you how good you are, regardless of what anyone believes. We're pretty good.

That's exactly what we are. Pretty good.

That's top four

If we want more, pretty good ain't gonna cut it.

[Peter]

We may walk slowly, but we NEVER walk back.

There's no real hurry. We'll get there

Very good

Well, if England can win a test in Australia I guess anything is possible

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Very good

Well, if England can win a test in Australia I guess anything is possible

Even Nasser Hussain managed that. It's whether we can win a live test in Australia that counts.

[redgunamo]

Even Nasser Hussain managed that. It's whether we can win a live test in Australia that counts.

Oh, yeah. Good point

[redgunamo]

That's exactly what we are. Pretty good.

That's top four

If we want more, pretty good ain't gonna cut it.

We can want more but we just need certain others to do LESS. As I say, we are simply not as good as Manchester City.

Not yet, so we'll need a little luck.

[John Bunnell]

He's been poor all season. He takes a good corner though.

[Peter]

Even Nasser Hussain managed that. It's whether we can win a live test in Australia that counts.

True, but the Aussies didn't care about dead rubbers then and it was common for us to nick a test once the series was dead. They do care now. They love a clean sheet and always want 5-0. In Nasser's day we were so little a challenge home and away that they didn't care. It was like kicking an injured dog.

Which is why we haven't won a test out there (aside from 201/11) since Nasser. No coincidence that winning the dead rubber stopped as soon as we won the ashes back in 2005.

[Peter]

We can want more but we just need certain others to do LESS. As I say, we are simply not as good as Manchester City.

Not yet, so we'll need a little luck.

No. See, this is the problem. We cant sit here hoping everyone else gets worse.

We need to perform better, and we are capable of it.

[redgunamo]

No. See, this is the problem. We cant sit here hoping everyone else gets worse.

We need to perform better, and we are capable of it.

That's league football; that's how it works.

[Peter]

That's league football; that's how it works.

You don't conquer Everest by waiting for it to shrink.