So with the league all but over, let's switch to another subject - Jeffrey Epstein?

[Peter]

The one series I watched on a subject I'd studied deeply, he blew me away.

He is a bit annoying. Doesn't mean he is wrong. But it grates a little.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Schama is to historians, what Slater is to cookery programmes. Widely knowledgable but deeply cringe to watch.

The one series I watched on a subject I'd studied deeply, he blew me away.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I'll have a look

PMed stream link to first episode in my dropbox.

[7sisters]

This series. Excellent. {And I did a whole uni course called From the Enlightenment to romanticism 1780-1830.}

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mfnj

Just checked. I ripped each of the 3 episodes for a mate who was abroad. I still have them in dropbox if you want a stream or download link.

Well worth it. Better than anything you'll find on Netflix etc atm.

Brilliant.

You'll have to watch but Sid Viscous was more Byronic - mad, bad and dangerous to know - than Dylan or the Beatles which is I think one of the points he was making.

Let me know if you want links PMed.

Schama is to historians, what Slater is to cookery programmes. Widely knowledgable but deeply cringe to watch.

[Peter]

This series. Excellent. {And I did a whole uni course called From the Enlightenment to romanticism 1780-1830.}

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mfnj

Just checked. I ripped each of the 3 episodes for a mate who was abroad. I still have them in dropbox if you want a stream or download link.

Well worth it. Better than anything you'll find on Netflix etc atm.

Brilliant.

You'll have to watch but Sid Viscous was more Byronic - mad, bad and dangerous to know - than Dylan or the Beatles which is I think one of the points he was making.

Let me know if you want links PMed.

I'll have a look

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Which series?

I was thinking more of Dylan and the Beatles initially.

Punk is frequently used as an example of a million different things. Its enduring musical legacy is a kind of 'you had to be there' sound.

And still my favourite punk band is American

This series. Excellent. {And I did a whole uni course called From the Enlightenment to romanticism 1780-1830.}

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mfnj

Just checked. I ripped each of the 3 episodes for a mate who was abroad. I still have them in dropbox if you want a stream or download link.

Well worth it. Better than anything you'll find on Netflix etc atm.

Brilliant.

You'll have to watch but Sid Viscous was more Byronic - mad, bad and dangerous to know - than Dylan or the Beatles which is I think one of the points he was making.

Let me know if you want links PMed.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I started this thread about Jeffrey Epstein

Well played, chaps

Just like the old days, init?

[WES]

Simon Scharma on that excellent BBC series said that the Pistols were a perfect example of how Romanticism went on to define the modern world.

I started this thread about Jeffrey Epstein

Well played, chaps

[Peter]

Simon Scharma on that excellent BBC series said that the Pistols were a perfect example of how Romanticism went on to define the modern world.

Which series?

I was thinking more of Dylan and the Beatles initially.

Punk is frequently used as an example of a million different things. Its enduring musical legacy is a kind of 'you had to be there' sound.

And still my favourite punk band is American

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Yes. Allowing bands and artists to write their own songs was the beginning of the end.

Simon Scharma on that excellent BBC series said that the Pistols were a perfect example of how Romanticism went on to define the modern world.

[redgunamo]

Not stupid. Innocent. Still asking questions of the world. Isn't that the source of all great art?

People like us, who already know everything, have difficulty getting inspired.

No, the Olds know how blessed they are. It's the Yoofs wot take it all for granted.

[Peter]

Exactly the point I was making.

That and the fact that it was the continuation, the apogee in fact, of Romanticism.

It was the first time working class yoof created the dominant culture - Romanticism was originally bourgeois lit/art etc.

It was only with the '60s, after 130+ years, that Romanticism could be dominated by the young working class in the West.

Yes. Allowing bands and artists to write their own songs was the beginning of the end.

[Peter]

Well, quite. Just shows how stupid they are

Not stupid. Innocent. Still asking questions of the world. Isn't that the source of all great art?

People like us, who already know everything, have difficulty getting inspired.

[redgunamo]

That's just moving the goalposts...

lol. Message reprted to Cato the Elder.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Yes, it does. Would be odd if it didn't

The enduring legacy of the 60s is the dominance of youth culture.

Exactly the point I was making.

That and the fact that it was the continuation, the apogee in fact, of Romanticism.

It was the first time working class yoof created the dominant culture - Romanticism was originally bourgeois lit/art etc.

It was only with the '60s, after 130+ years, that Romanticism could be dominated by the young working class in the West.