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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    You think Labour will back a deal rather than take the opportunity to bring down the government? Why? They haven't so far.

    Equally, the ERG increasingly sees No Deal as the least worst option and it's looking like a deal isn't possible. Largely unnoticed the other day, the ERG slipped in an amendment to the Chequers Bill that effectively destroys the backstop clause for Northern Ireland, regarded as the guarantee there’ll be no hard border with the Republic. If that's the case, all bets are off. That would put in jeopardy the entire Withdrawal Agreement - which if it collapsed would mean a no-deal Brexit becomes virtually certain.
    But wouldn't Labour be relying on Tory rebels to get the numbers required to vote down the deal? This is where my Parliamentary arithmetic fails me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    But wouldn't Labour be relying on Tory rebels to get the numbers required to vote down the deal? This is where my Parliamentary arithmetic fails me...
    Of course, but why would that bother them? The ERG has shown it's better organised, better led and more committed than the Remain rebels. If you think it'll back down if offered an unsatisfactory fait accompli deal, I suspect you're mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Of course, but why would that bother them? The ERG has shown it's better organised, better led and more committed than the Remain rebels. If you think it'll back down if offered an unsatisfactory fait accompli deal, I suspect you're mistaken.
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    Yes, but what both have in common is a refusal to push things far enough to risk a GE.

    Which can only be achieved by concessions on both sides and the ERG falling into line come the vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
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    Yes, but what both have in common is a refusal to push things far enough to risk a GE.

    Which can only be achieved by concessions on both sides and the ERG falling into line come the vote.
    The ERG has only just started to flex its muscles, though. And it has the party membership behind them. May is now effectively their hostage.
    Bear in mind also that Eurosceptics have been nurturing their grievances for decades and that theirs is an ideological position. They’re not going to back down just because they’re threatened with a GE by a PM they despise.

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