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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    My Indian friends seem rather keen on Mr Modi. But they're all rich and hate Muslims.
    Rich, Prussian anti-Semites were keen on Adolf, C.

    Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar, Indira and Rajiv were all British educated to varying degrees. They built a secular India. Now we've got the Nazi chai-wallah it's hell in a hand cart time.

    All Indian PMs should have UK degrees. And all UK PMs should smoke chillums with sadhus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
    Rich, Prussian anti-Semites were keen on Adolf, C.

    Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar, Indira and Rajiv were all British educated to varying degrees. They built a secular India. Now we've got the Nazi chai-wallah it's hell in a hand cart time.

    All Indian PMs should have UK degrees. And all UK PMs should smoke chillums with sadhus.
    Hmmm. It does sound a leetle beet like you prefer the idea of a remote, political/managerial class who do what they want and are all related to a popularly-rooted democratic PM with support among the demos.

    This would be very much of a theme with your take on UK politics, to be fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Hmmm. It does sound a leetle beet like you prefer the idea of a remote, political/managerial class who do what they want and are all related to a popularly-rooted democratic PM with support among the demos.

    This would be very much of a theme with your take on UK politics, to be fair.
    You have a country where many are illiterate and the only thing that gives them happiness in their poverty is their tribal religious beliefs.

    The different state govts now think it's fine to change the school books in a way that Goebbels would have approved of.

    Where there was previously a free media, under Modi, all bar NDTV have simply become propaganda outlets.

    Of course they shouldn't be allowed to start WW3.

    Answer me this. The C18th and C19th centuries saw the British end up dominating the planet, while spreading their enlightened values globally.

    Do you think it would have been better had we had full franchise democracy, or can you accept that the country wasn't ready for it and we had to move towards it gradually?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
    You have a country where many are illiterate and the only thing that gives them happiness in their poverty is their tribal religious beliefs.

    The different state govts now think it's fine to change the school books in a way that Goebbels would have approved of.

    Where there was previously a free media, under Modi, all bar NDTV have simply become propaganda outlets.

    Of course they shouldn't be allowed to start WW3.

    Answer me this. The C18th and C19th centuries saw the British end up dominating the planet, while spreading their enlightened values globally.

    Do you think it would have been better had we had full franchise democracy, or can you accept that the country wasn't ready for it and we had to move towards it gradually?
    The elites never think those they govern are ready for democracy because having to answer to the people means setting a limit on their power and having to do things they don't want to do.
    And there are always reasons why people should be considered too backwards, simple or ignorant to be allowed to vote.

    Suffice to say I'm deeply suspicious about the motives of anyone who ever makes these arguments.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    The elites never think those they govern are ready for democracy because having to answer to the people means setting a limit on their power and having to do things they don't want to do.
    And there are always reasons why people should be considered too backwards, simple or ignorant to be allowed to vote.

    Suffice to say I'm deeply suspicious about the motives of anyone who ever makes these arguments.
    It's a simple question, B. Walpole became PM in 1720. We had the GRA in 1832.

    Had either of those dates seen the introduction of full suffrage (and a Parliament Act denying the HoL a veto) do you think the country (and the world) would have progressed as well?

    Or do you think the plebs would have buggered the economy by voting for free gin and public papist burnings?

    I'm talking about a specific historical period and a counter-factual. Was the UK ready for full democracy in 1720 (or even 1832)?

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