In my, happily very occasional, dealings with police officers,

[Viva Prat Vegas]

Peter "Naturally, I find it just as appalling as any other form of racism. I find all racism appalling.

I am appalled by it."

Just in cast that persecuting Plod's looking in

[Sir C]

Ok, perhaps I mean I don't feel they've played their hand effectively.

The focus of their argument is that criticism of Israel can too easily slide into anti-semitism and that Corbyn is unwilling to tackle this. This is of course true, but it's also true that, for example, criticism of immigration can often slide into far right racism. Yet our tolerance of criticism of immigration seems to be far higher than it is of criticism of Israel. This to me is an unavoidable double standard.

And yet in Corbyn we have a man who has persistently throughout his life supported and defended people with the most disgusting anti-semitic views. He's also a man who recently sacked an MP for pointing out the fact that child rape gangs in this country have a cultural and ethnic common denominator.

Yet the focus seems to be on that very narrow point about criticism of Israel, rather than the far more damning evidence of Corbyn's dubious character, and that isn't actually going to have any effect.

I agree that the criticism of Israel issue is an unwelcome distraction, but it's the only really concrete point the jews have to argue. Watering down the internationally recognised definition of anti-semitism is a clear and obvious danger to jews; Corbyn having tea with any number of filthy individuals can be glossed over.

[Burney]

We say that all the time about the Allans. That they should meet people half-way

Anyway, see my reply to Charlie below.

Asking people to observe the laws and customs of the country to which they have immigrated is not 'asking people to meet you half way', it should be a basic requirement of any immigrant. No-one is ever expects muslims to accept racist abuse.

Jews, on the other hand, are being expected to tolerate actual racist abuse of them because Israel.

[Burney]

Exactly. It pre-dates racism and has its own word.

Naturally, I find it just as appalling as any other form of racism. I find all racism appalling.

I am appalled by it.

It doesn't pre-date racism, it's just one of the oldest types of it. If you don't mind me saying, p, the fact that you are even quibbling about its nature as racism rather exemplifies the point.

[Burney]

I agree that the criticism of Israel issue is an unwelcome distraction, but it's the only really concrete point the jews have to argue. Watering down the internationally recognised definition of anti-semitism is a clear and obvious danger to jews; Corbyn having tea with any number of filthy individuals can be glossed over.

Correct. There is only one possible reason to adjust that definition of anti-semitism and that is to allow your members to transgress it. In other words, you are redefining anti-semitism in order to give yourself room to be anti-semitic.

This point isn't being made hard or often enough.

[IUFG]

Is it personalised ?

oh dear, oh dear...

[Sir C]

Sir C "No. The insurance company hadn't updated the system when I changed the registration number."

Is it personalised ?

It is what we call in the trade a 'cherished number', s. And it is indeed cherished. It was a gift to me from my father on my 21st birthday. It's a lovely number plate. I always have it on my special occasion car. It's a sort of tradition.

[IUFG]

It is what we call in the trade a 'cherished number', s. And it is indeed cherished. It was a gift to me from my father on my 21st birthday. It's a lovely number plate. I always have it on my special occasion car. It's a sort of tradition.

is it PEN 15 ?

[Sir C]

is it PEN 15 ?

Oddly enough, no. That would be a strange gift from a father to his son.

[Burney]

It is what we call in the trade a 'cherished number', s. And it is indeed cherished. It was a gift to me from my father on my 21st birthday. It's a lovely number plate. I always have it on my special occasion car. It's a sort of tradition.

And it has the letters 'VD' in it. :snigger:

There used to be lots of jokes about VD when we were younger, didn't there? The acronym STI just isn't as funny.