Morrisey's at it again :clap:

[Monty92]

"I have only ever accused YOU of castigating Islam". The word YOU is significant here, in that I was talking to YOU.

Yes, I did suggest that Burney had 'paraded his hatred of muslims' on here. We had a long conversation where both of you went to great lengths to explain that you merely hated their beliefs, which were totally separate from their 'race' and were entirely optional on their part. You dont hate the people at all- oh no, you are more or less great supporters. No matter that you count them, calculate their breeding rates and consider the volume as an existential threat to Britain. none of this matters- it is merely a theological dispute, nothing more. The Labour Party, on the other hand, are vile and vicious racists. I understand all of this now.

THe other important thing to stress here was that this was in the context of my comparison between your islamophobia and the Labour Party's anti-semitism. Therefore important to note that the conversation did not start bymethrowing accusations of bigotry but by me responding to them.

However, for the record, yes I do consider your views on Islam to be a form of bigotry. By any dictionary definition, it is.

I think there has been a communication breakdown here. Frankly, you seem totally confused. I don’t believe Burney or I have ever said we hate the BELIEFS of ALL Muslims.

There are millions upon millions of Muslims around the world who follow a benign form of Islam. And while I may consider them any number of things such as naïve, foolish or deluded, they give me no reason at all to hate them.

Alas, we also know there to be millions upon millions of Muslims around the world who believe in the less benign tenets of Islam. And it is these Muslims that I have no problem hating – both them individually AND their beliefs - and I consider this no more controversial than saying I hate Nazis as individuals and that I hate their beliefs too.

In fact, saying I hate Islam is in no way substantively different to saying I hate Nazism. And just as saying I hate Nazism is very different to saying I hate people who believe in tenets of Nazism such as economic self-sufficiency and a strong national identity, saying I hate Islam is also different to saying I hate Muslims who believe in the benign tenets of Islam.

But as soon as I learn that someone endorses the less benign tenets of Islam, then I have an entirely legitimate reason to hate them. Just as if I find out that someone who believes in the values of a strong national identity also believes in a form of Social Darwinism, then I have legitimate reason to hate them too.

And if Nazis were breeding like rabbits, proliferating in number, growing in power and influence, and had killed more than 400 innocent people on European streets in a handful of years, I’d be obsessively counting and calculating them too.

Do you actually disagree with any of this? And given how I've laid out my position, would you really describe my views on Islam to be "bigoted"?

And if so, are you able to explain why you wouldn't also say someone who hates Nazis is also bigoted?