The Vinicius Jnr incident.

It?s clear the guy must have called him something, otherwise why raise the shirt over his mouth.
It was slightly amusing the way VJ then took off out the traps to confront the ref though ? Something of the school playground about it, Sir, Sir, Sir he just called me a name.
Personally, I?d prefer to see old style retribution, Paul Davis - Glen Cockerill. Calm, assured.. Have that, you racist prick, sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

It?s clear the guy must have called him something, otherwise why raise the shirt over his mouth.
It was slightly amusing the way VJ then took off out the traps to confront the ref though ? Something of the school playground about it, Sir, Sir, Sir he just called me a name.
Personally, I?d prefer to see old style retribution, Paul Davis - Glen Cockerill. Calm, assured.. Have that, you racist prick, sort of thing.

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Well, yes. But Paul Davis got banned for that. Hardly fair.... :-)

It is clear something has gone on. But I'm not sure that storming off the pitch is the answer. Deal with it after the game.

But then I am a cis white male. I wouldn't understand.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

It?s clear the guy must have called him something, otherwise why raise the shirt over his mouth.
It was slightly amusing the way VJ then took off out the traps to confront the ref though ? Something of the school playground about it, Sir, Sir, Sir he just called me a name.
Personally, I?d prefer to see old style retribution, Paul Davis - Glen Cockerill. Calm, assured.. Have that, you racist prick, sort of thing.

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But he's already dealt with it, with that wonderful goal. We can't have it both ways; either the game is all about football or it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Well, yes. But Paul Davis got banned for that. Hardly fair.... :-)

It is clear something has gone on. But I'm not sure that storming off the pitch is the answer. Deal with it after the game.

But then I am a cis white male. I wouldn't understand.

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Right. That's what the dressing room is for. No need to ruin things for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Right. That's what the dressing room is for. No need to ruin things for everyone else.

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See you in the car park. That kind of thing?

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

It?s clear the guy must have called him something, otherwise why raise the shirt over his mouth.
It was slightly amusing the way VJ then took off out the traps to confront the ref though ? Something of the school playground about it, Sir, Sir, Sir he just called me a name.
Personally, I?d prefer to see old style retribution, Paul Davis - Glen Cockerill. Calm, assured.. Have that, you racist prick, sort of thing.

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Why is it always Vini Jr? :rubchin: Plenty of other black players at Madrid but he always seems to be the one on the end of the abuse

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Originally Posted by PSRB

Why is it always Vini Jr? :rubchin: Plenty of other black players at Madrid but he always seems to be the one on the end of the abuse

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Clearly he winds people up. But regardless of that, it cannot be used to justify any form of racism back to him. We're meant to be kicking it out. Best way is a crunching tackle 30 seconds after the restart imo.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

It?s clear the guy must have called him something, otherwise why raise the shirt over his mouth.
It was slightly amusing the way VJ then took off out the traps to confront the ref though ? Something of the school playground about it, Sir, Sir, Sir he just called me a name.
Personally, I?d prefer to see old style retribution, Paul Davis - Glen Cockerill. Calm, assured.. Have that, you racist prick, sort of thing.

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It is also entirely possible that he's mis-heard what he said. There are 60,000 shouting Portugesers in there and he's put his shirt over his mouth which is sure to have muffled whatever he said.

The act of pulling the shirt over his mouth is not an admission of guilt. Footballers & even coaches frequently do it with their hands to stop the television cameras trying to guess what they're saying.

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Originally Posted by Rich

It is also entirely possible that he's mis-heard what he said. There are 60,000 shouting Portugesers in there and he's put his shirt over his mouth which is sure to have muffled whatever he said.

The act of pulling the shirt over his mouth is not an admission of guilt. Footballers & even coaches frequently do it with their hands to stop the television cameras trying to guess what they're saying.

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Not in this case, R. There?s no law against simply swearing at an opponent, so why cover up for calling him a kyunt etc. No ones getting sent off for that sort of thing, unless it?s aimed at the ref.

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Originally Posted by Peter

See you in the car park. That kind of thing?

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Exactly. But I suppose everybody has focus groups, activists and sponsors to please nowadays so stoic silence followed by a bunch-of-fives after hours is out of the question.

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Not in this case, R. There?s no law against simply swearing at an opponent, so why cover up for calling him a kyunt etc. No ones getting sent off for that sort of thing, unless it?s aimed at the ref.

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The old Suarez one had me worried for a bit. I felt British players in the Premier League would be unfairly disadvantaged.

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Originally Posted by Maravilloso Marvo

Clearly he winds people up. But regardless of that, it cannot be used to justify any form of racism back to him. We're meant to be kicking it out. Best way is a crunching tackle 30 seconds after the restart imo.

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Agree completely. His defence is, it was homophobic not racist.....yeah, cause that's much better.

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Originally Posted by PSRB

Agree completely. His defence is, it was homophobic not racist.....yeah, cause that's much better.

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In football, it kind of is. Are we committed to kicking homophobia out of football?

We've raised the significance of racism, for obvious reasons, above all others.

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Originally Posted by Peter

In football, it kind of is. Are we committed to kicking homophobia out of football?

We've raised the significance of racism, for obvious reasons, above all others.

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Yes, I understand there's a sort of ladder or league table of grievance. When choosing a school, my folks were informed that, being Henley shrinks rather than, for example, Hackney ones, they would have to pay up full wack. Fair enough, of course; anything to get the brat out of the house. But still lol :-\

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Yes, I understand there's a sort of ladder or league table of grievance. When choosing a school, my folks were informed that, being Henley shrinks rather than, for example, Hackney ones, they would have to pay up full wack. Fair enough, of course; anything to get the brat out of the house. But still lol :-\

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Well, homophobia isnt a problem in football as we dont allow poofters in the game.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Well, homophobia isnt a problem in football as we dont allow poofters in the game.

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Right. Same reason people living in town believe the sticks simply must be jumping with racists.

My father-in law once explained that, in his government, unlike in America and Great Britain, they do not have problems with Jews dictating policy. "Nicht mehr." :-\

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Right. Same reason people living in town believe the sticks simply must be jumping with racists.

My father-in law once explained that, in his government, unlike in America and Great Britain, they do not have problems with Jews dictating policy. "Nicht mehr." :-\

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Some family Christmas that must have been. :-(

You wouldn't want to stick Leonard Cohen on to cheer things up....

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Originally Posted by PSRB

Agree completely. His defence is, it was homophobic not racist.....yeah, cause that's much better.

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If I'm honest, a homophobic slur to someone very unlikely to be a homosexual is not the same as a racist slur directed at a black player for me.

Possibly because when I grew up playing football, hockey, basketball etc, it was rare to finish a game without at some point calling a member of the opposition a f@ggot. It's just what you did if the p1ssed you off. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by WES

If I'm honest, a homophobic slur to someone very unlikely to be a homosexual is not the same as a racist slur directed at a black player for me.

Possibly because when I grew up playing football, hockey, basketball etc, it was rare to finish a game without at some point calling a member of the opposition a f@ggot. It's just what you did if the p1ssed you off. :shrug:

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Different era, Wes. But I do think you are right about the impact. I mean, if someone called me a poof I wouldn't run to the ref. I would just think he was a ****.

A copper once tried to.convince me that saying the n word to a white person was just as bad as saying it a black person. I just looked at him with a 'are you ****ing serious' face and he kind of gave me this look back and shrug that said 'I know it's *******s but we're told to say it'....