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- he is slow to turn, slow to get a shot away, slow to get running, slow to get up to full pelt and then when he's at full pelt .. he's too fakkin slow!! There ain't a full back in the Prem worthy of the job description who couldn't murder him in a 100m sprint.
I thought that but I remember on his debut in presason, he absolutely roasted one of the full backs for pace. Very odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
he doesn't seem quite fully fit yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
However I am not worried. with every team deciding to use the 'low block' * Current buzzword. he's always going to be limited.
if anyone decides to open up against hopefully they will be met with a resposne like we had against Atleti.
we also have a back 4 of centre backs which is working perfectly. they all love it.
Is he carrying a bit of excess timber?
I did think that, bulked up too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Speaking of Timber, he was outstanding again. Best player on the pitch.
We will face low blocks in at least 30 of our 38 PL games this season. Just like we have done in each of the last few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
Fortuantely Havertz is back soon and so young Victor (well he's not young - in footballing terms) will be sitting on the bench.
I am very positive. I think it's our season. just carry on doing what we are doing and it should pay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Yes I think so too. And I also think Gyokeres probably does occupy defenders a bit. Not exactly what you want from your striker but it's something I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
I think he's occupying space that might be more profitably occupied by a decent strikerQuote:
Originally Posted by Rich
we are not giving him much service to be fair. Saka needs to work on that. he's a little selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Hmmm. Well he is a poor header of the ball so you can't put ariel crosses in for him. And when they pull balls across the box for him his balance seems all over the place and he takes too long to correct it - thus failing to get a clean shot away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
The closest player I can think of to wear an Arsenal shirt is Chamakh.
Other than the headed goal in preseason, I can think of one other cross he's had put in to head (yes he missed, but that's not the point).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Could t score in a brothel, as the saying goes. He?ll get a few but he?s looking every inch a Championship striker from what I?ve seen so far. His best quality is his physicality. Other than that.. meh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman
Making that statement about Havertz (who isn?t a number 9) says quite a bit about Gyokeres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
I prefer the lads with the dancing feet and a bit of pace. Wrighty would have scored a hat full in this set up.
Don't know how Wrighty would get on in this premier league. It's a weird season so far. Everyone else is starting to focus heavily on set pieces as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Niall Quinn would score a few....
It?s getting a bit weird when punters and bookies are already saying it?s ours to lose and we?re not even in November .Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Games gone
4 games ago, the Scousers had it sown up, were clearly gonna be Invincibles and we were scrapping for any form of European football.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Almost like "let's all wait 'till Easter like we used to" doesn't get as many clicks as all this hyperbolic twaddle.
Quite, until it's mathematically done, I'm not having it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
I think you'll find, Rich, that Gyokeres was bought in no small part to help solve the low block problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
That's when you need slightly bulky no. 9s who can score with their cocks, arses, all sorts
Timing isn't great there, 7s, given that it was an entire two games ago that he scored two against one of the better defensive teams in Europe. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
He'll be fine, he needs time and a good run and the rest of the team to get used to him. We wanted and needed someone who can score the scruffy goals in scruffy games. He's suited to that.
When we make the CL final I would expect to see Havertz in the team. :shrug:
See, I think you need tricky midgets who can turn in circles and create angles.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
The real Odegaard is the key to low blocks. We need him back.
TBF, AW used to have a team full of tricky midgets and we still had the horseshoe of death most matches while also conceding goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
And even then, we could still get docked points for kicking off with the Mancs. I'll believe it when the silverwear's in a bus driving 'round Islington and not before.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
{Wish we'd started a ruck on the first day at OT. Then I'd have known it was nailed on.}
Debatable, but even if I accept you are right, the midgets or Odegaard don't score the goals, you need someone like Gyokeres for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Henry, as an example, was too close to being one of those tricky players to do what we need Gyokeres to do
We want Gyokeres to be Haaland but he isn't even a tenth of the goalscorer that Haaland is.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Come, come, Wes. You can?t really count either of those goals as breaking his personal goal drought. One was a fortunate deflection from a wayward scufffed shot, the other, he sort of, just got in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
Look, you could be right, it?s still early days and all that but I couldn?t help noticing George Graham in the crowd, his presence embellishing those grinding 1-0 days of old. Personally, I favour the aesthetes, the beautiful game if you will but ultimately, I?ll take an ugly, uncompromising win over an exquisite draw.
It's weird to me that anyone thinks that finishing is our problem. It's a lack of creativity- or more specifically, a reliance on a particular type of creativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
All of our forward players can score goals. Nobody can score goals if you don't create chances or space.
We don't need him to be Haaland, and we don't even need him to score goals. He just needs to help US score goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Remember, no centre forward has been prolific under Arteta. Aubamayang, Laxazette, Eddie, Jesus, Havertz. All have played well but none have scored a huge amount of goals. Havertz has the best strike rate at around 1 in 2 games at centre forward.
We have players who can score goals. We jist need more creativity. Gyokeres can help with that without scoring.
I just want him to be the Gyokeres of last season, I don't expect him to be Haaland. I think he's doing okay and will get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
He's a handful. He's very physically strong and he makes defenders panic because of it. Anyway we're getting results and he's been leading the line so I don't see any reason to drop him. We have diminutive, tricky & fast strikers like Jesus who can turn on a two pence and fat load of use he's done for us.
I know Harlaaand's good but he hasn't scored 50 this season, has he? So given Vik's got 5, your statement is not factually correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Also, remember when Horseface scored 40-odd and everyone said he was better than Titi. Didn't we win the Double that year?
Look, I get you don't like Vik, just like WES couldn't stand Rambo. Given the skill elsewhere in the team, if our opponents have to put 2 defenders on Vik and he has the skill to drag them away from the action it won't matter if he doesn't touch the ball all season, let alone score.
B's had far more space this year, and has been running riot when fit. {The FK came from a foul on him that wouldn't have happened if they'd doubled up on him on the wing.} Might be why Noni was looking so good before injury.
If we keep winning and keep keeping clean sheets, I'm happy. I also think Kai back will benefit everyone. Vik hasn't had a break, and some games will suit one more than the other. Plus the ability to play both when we need a goal could prove vital.
I said when Jack scored vs Norwich that now we'd actually walked the ball into the net by playing balletic one touch volleys as 1-2s, we might as well stop football. We'd done it. After years of trying, we'd done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
So let's try to win the league conceding the fewest goals, least shots on target, most clean sheets, most 1-0s, score the most set pieces, and have by far the highest set piece to open play goal ratio in history, just to piss everyone else off.
Remember when Fergie said our Invincibles didn't count cos we had so many draws? I want the whole football world to say out title doesn't count because if you take out the set pieces we'd have been lower-mid table.
Good point. The fact that when MnM played up top he was scoring something like 2 in 5 shows that it's the system. Auba twice got 22 league goals, same as the Manc Orc last year. We seem to have lots of total footballers playing a very defensively organised system. Keep it tight but when you do get the chances, it doesn't matter if it's your DM hitting a volley or your LB in the no.9 position, your players can take their chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
{I also think it interesting that since he played up top, MnM's now playing for Spain in his normal box-to-box role but banging them in, cos he's learned how to get into positions to score and now has the confidence that he can. I wonder if he's gutted that injuries stopped us playing the Dec-MnM-Odin MF I think MA wanted last season with Kai up top. If he could be doing his MF-ey duel winning ting, and his edge of the box creativity but also bang in double figures - in short what he's doing for Spain atm - he could have become a legend.
Hopefully, he's happy to be a squad player in a winning team.}