This current Manchester United side is absolutely dreadful.
Long may it continue.
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This current Manchester United side is absolutely dreadful.
Long may it continue.
Indeed but in time honoured tradition, they still put us out of the Cup and we?ve yet to go to their place in the league. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
My scars run deep. :-(
:nod: I'll be very cross if we drop points there. I see the money grabbing Chido Obi got a 3 minute run out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Noticed that. Their fans were working themselves into a froth as to why Amorim introduced him so late on. It seem a pointless move considering Hojlund seems to have lost sight of his role on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Yep :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
They are pretty much where we were when Aeteta arrived, and have been for about 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
They need a complete rebuild, the way we did it. But their ownership model is ****ed. I can't see how they fix this :-)
Hopefully with a major civil war then relegation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I'm becoming a tiny bit concerned about our activity this summer, post Edu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
We are signing a very different type of player this summer. I do hope Arteta is on board with all this. That relationship is absolutely key....
Tried to post an hour ago but site went down. If I copied it, it's this......Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Will reply to that tomorrow, when sober.
But now, before I go off for my final tramp cider, I bring you a quote from BBC sport. That Amorim chap {or however it's spelled}:
"We show the performance today, so my players spoke, for me, really loud."
Does he not realise how that sounds? Which country is he from? Do they have the same concept of either irony or sarcasm that we do? Is it the players spoke, as far as he is concerned really loud? Or the players spoke for him really loud?
Hope Burnley batter them this Saturday.
I wonder if they can match spurs famous 40 game season :rubchin:
Their manager bloke is Finnish surely. They ought to have just got Viktor instead :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
They can sack and appoint as many managers as they want, it wont solve the problem.....Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
:nod: Issues stem from the top of the club, much the same as spurs. Although, I'm slightly concerned that Frank might actually do a decent job there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Was talking to a United fan over the weekend and explaining what I thought the problem was. It had never occurred to him at all.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Spurs are an odd one. They are a very well run club from a financial point of view. Their problem is that Levy doesn't understand football. In terms of the gap between strategy and coaching, their approach of signing younger players who will develop and then appointing Mourinho and Conte (coaches who have made a career of short tenure/ experienced top class players) is about the best example I can think of.
United's ownership model is an absolute disaster and when you couple that with the impatience of the mentality of 'biggest club in the world', I can't see how you fix it.
We had the same problem when Emery was here. Poor guy never stood a chance with the war going on above him. Transfers were all over the place. Once Edu and Arteta arrived we developed a strategy and accepted as a club that we'd be **** for a couple of years and rebuilt the entire squad from top to bottom. United need to do similar but.....
but....their fanbase won't accept that and the board are simpletons and seem more concerned with a shiny new stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
The Grimsby fans singing, you fat bstad to Mbeuono encapsulated the moment. They?ve spent big, bought really poorly and find themselves in an even worse position. I actually think that kid they stole from us had more to his attacking game than Sheshko. Could have saved them a few quid upfront too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
The back three would really concern me. It is really old fashioned and he doesn't have the players to make it work. And they haven't signed him any. Those three forward signings show a real lack of imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
And they have to get rid of the toxic tossers, even if you have to give them away.
2 things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
1. I don't really get football cos I only watch and care about us. But the papers are saying he's too wedded to his 3-4-3 formation. Doesn't that mean they'll always be over-run in MF? Ars?ne was a classic 4-4-2 chap but he realised the world had changed and switched to 4-3-3 at the start of one season and made all our yoof teams do likewise.
I know there are different variants of 4-3-3: You can have 2 DMs in a sort of 4-2-3-1 or two no.10s in a 4-1-2-3 and you can invert a FB when attacking to have a box between the 3 at the back and the 3 at the front.
Maybe it works if you're the best team in Portugal. But if it doesn't work here, and he won't change, and his whole window has been based on buying players for this system, then Ganpati willing, they'll get relegated.
2. Do they have a MUfanTV I can go and have a gander at?
This bloke has a 2m followers so I assume he?s monetising their misery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
https://youtube.com/@unitedstand?si=B_gG9qTgZN1BFtJk
Traditionally, the back three left you stronger in the centre of the pitch as it used to be employed as effectively 3-4-1-2, or 3-4-2-1. But it leaves you weaker on the flanks. England teams have used it to make up for our lack of technical ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
The modern version tends to look more like 3-4-3, and you are right- you effectively lose the tip of the three man midfield.
Arteta used it for a year when he joined because he simply didn't trust his defenders (with good reason, they were ****e!). We ended up hopelessly static and went on a run where I think we scored once from open play in 8 games. He was close to the sack before Christmas, and switched to a back four, bringing in Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli behind Lacazette, in what looked like our current formation. We beat Chelsea 3-0, then West Brom 4-0 and never looked back.
I think the biggest problem with any formation is having the players to perform it. Wing back is a horrible and difficult job, and you need the right guys. I don't think he has them. And as most sides play one up front, you have three guys doing not that much apart from getting dragged out to the channels by the likes of Salah or Saka. You are vulnerable to cross fields passes.
When I managed a Sunday team we used it, but we played it as 5 at the back, with the wing backs as full backs. Sat in, crowded our defensive third and waited for mistakes. I only did that because we were too **** to play four at the back :-)
Did you play to win 1-0 from a set piece goal? Did you get yer defenders to lump it up to the big man up top who'd hold it up? Did your back 5 all raise their arms in unison appealing for off-side?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
But I get why wing back is tricky in an old skool Italian 5-3-2. You only have one man on the flank who has to be able to defend and play as a winger.
But in this new 3-4-3, your wingbacks still have a winger ahead of them so aren't they just like FB? What do they have to do than Benny Blanc doesn't, for example?
Who do you need 3 CHs against 1 CF?
In a back four, when one full back goes, the other one stays and tucks in slightly. In a back three, both wing backs can go at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
The argument is that back fours basically act as a back three anyway, and they do. But they have the flexibility as to which guy leaves the four. With a back three, they basically just sit there.
Cheers. Go to 2hr 44' here for the watch along to the last couple of pens each:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=getnUJgVPyM
He really doesn't like their goalie. What's best is he curses his own pen taker, Mbeuno, simply because he's so peeved that Onana got his hands to the previous pen but didn't save it that he wants his team to lose so he can go with his sell Onana now headline.
Was there a Sperz Fan tv from the day we got Eze, btw?
Yes, we played to nick a win, however it came. We had three really good attacking players and the whole plan was to get them space to play. We climbed the table and had a cup run :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
With full backs, you'll note Arteta likes one of two things in his full backs- either a guy who is also a centre back (White) or a guy who can invert (MLS). His dream is guys who can do both (Timber, and perhaps Calafiori). And he now has a good combination across the four main options.
What he doesnt like is a traditional full back like Tierney, which is why the poor sod ended up back at Celtic :-(
Ok, that makes sense. But what about when we have our LB inverted and our RB bombing forward to join B and Odin. That's a back 2. Though our DM can drop back and our goalie comes out now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Tactics is a bit beyond my paygrade, I'm afraid. Cannon on tit = good. Y?ds, Mancs and Chavs = scum.
I guess that's one of the many downsides of the Prem having a big 4/6 - and the only downside of us being part of that big 4/6 - is that you don't get that climbing the table and having a cup run like we did in the '80s under GG {him, not me.}Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
After a few seasons of mid table dross and early exits, climbing to a Uefa place and getting to a semi or final felt like winning the league.
We've almost become spoiled.
What/where was the team, btw?
I think the idea is that the inverted guy hangs back a bit and is part of the midfield buffer as we retreat to a three. But Arteta likes to complicate things and I often cant read what he is doing. Just as well I suppose. If it is obvious to me it isn't going to shock the opposition....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
It's also why the Rodri role is so important and why I think Zubimendi should prove our best signing. That job is not as easy as it was when Gilberto did it, where you just put it about a bit and take a yellow for the team :-)
City just don't function without him.
Pub team a bunch of us started from kick abouts in the park. We were ****e.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
The guy who did the admin put us in a tough league in cheshunt. We were full of Greeks and Asians. The racism was unbelievable.
Second season we brought in a 'couple of guys' who could handle themselves. That helped :-)
We used to play the theme song from Minder in the dressing room before the game
The racism is disgraceful, especially when your team can cook kebabs and thalis. How come you were the manager - player with best understanding of the game or too old to play properly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Or just buy them out of their contracts; as our owners kindly agreed. Was a sad end for young Mesut but we are starting to reap the rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Biggest racist obviously :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
And he's completely inflexible about it too. They knew that when they hired him and now they are demanding it from him as he's always done it and to change now would be seen as intolerably weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Good times :-)
I got injured in the first season, second season we needed a new manager and they wanted me to do it. I still played most weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
I knew how to keep the peace between the different groups in the team
This was the late 90s. I'd been thoroughly schooled in the George Graham method and I knew how to stop us conceding goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
And it worked:-)
Maybe he doesn't really know how to do anything else. Wenger didn't.......Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Amorim might even be a fraud, coaching-wise. As I say, a fifty-goal striker can conceal an awful lot of tactical incompetence, unsuitability and ineptitude.
Fairplay. You could always rely on George.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Let's hope so :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo