In response to #Metoo, this year's Geneva Motor Show has replaced its "booth babes"

[Peter]

No. It's different because it's arse about face. The older generation is supposed to be the po-faced, narrow-minded, illiberal one. That's not the case anymore. Our younger generation seem to want less freedom, not more.

Right, but that is based on your definition of the horribly *******ised word 'freedom'. The younger generation, on campuses, want freedom from oppression, and from oppressive views. THey think we can only be free when we all agre that certain things (gays, women, gender, ethnicity, rape etc) have absolute truths and can only be discussed within those absolutes. THe freedom to be who you are (as long as it isnt a straight, white, english male). They are willing to accept a curtailment of your generation's old fashioned view of freedom of speech/thought/expression in order to create this 'free from judgement' utopia.

They are not campaigning to be less free. Its a new birth of freedom.

Its just the sort of bull**** people come out with when they are young. I used to make up all sorts of ****e about what I wanted when really it was just beer, fags, speed and acid.

[Burney]

Right, but that is based on your definition of the horribly *******ised word 'freedom'. The younger generation, on campuses, want freedom from oppression, and from oppressive views. THey think we can only be free when we all agre that certain things (gays, women, gender, ethnicity, rape etc) have absolute truths and can only be discussed within those absolutes. THe freedom to be who you are (as long as it isnt a straight, white, english male). They are willing to accept a curtailment of your generation's old fashioned view of freedom of speech/thought/expression in order to create this 'free from judgement' utopia.

They are not campaigning to be less free. Its a new birth of freedom.

Its just the sort of bull**** people come out with when they are young. I used to make up all sorts of ****e about what I wanted when really it was just beer, fags, speed and acid.

Yes, but in those days we had adults who were prepared to tell us to shut up because we were clueless little cvnts. These days, the idiots are pandered to and encouraged in these ridicules notions by adults in positions of authority who really ought to know better.

[Peter]

Yes, but in those days we had adults who were prepared to tell us to shut up because we were clueless little cvnts. These days, the idiots are pandered to and encouraged in these ridicules notions by adults in positions of authority who really ought to know better.

Yes, I know. And it is your job to be outraged by it.

Face it, b....you are as much a cliche as the gender free students standing for election as President of the SU on a platform of 'ridding the world of gender bias and hatred forever!'........

You shouldn't worry for the future of humanity because it isn't your concern and there is **** all you can do about it anyway. Let the young people have their day.

I blame rock n roll for inventing youth culture. THat is where the world went to ****.

[Burney]

Yes, I know. And it is your job to be outraged by it.

Face it, b....you are as much a cliche as the gender free students standing for election as President of the SU on a platform of 'ridding the world of gender bias and hatred forever!'........

You shouldn't worry for the future of humanity because it isn't your concern and there is **** all you can do about it anyway. Let the young people have their day.

I blame rock n roll for inventing youth culture. THat is where the world went to ****.

There is some truth in that. Most of these little sh1tes would have been immensely improved by leaving school and 14 and being sent to a war.

[Peter]

There is some truth in that. Most of these little sh1tes would have been immensely improved by leaving school and 14 and being sent to a war.

When the 50s started pretty much all media, TV and social impulse was directed towards adults, or parents. Music on the radio was for your dad.

By the end of the 60s youth culture dominated everything. Imagining trying to parent all of that. ****ing nightmare! Obviously these days the idea that your kids would listen to different music to you and go out and take drugs and talk about politics seems perfectly natural. It must have been terrifying back then.

And now you cant even give them a thump when they play up. No wonder they act like a bunch of little ****ers.

[redgunamo]

When the 50s started pretty much all media, TV and social impulse was directed towards adults, or parents. Music on the radio was for your dad.

By the end of the 60s youth culture dominated everything. Imagining trying to parent all of that. ****ing nightmare! Obviously these days the idea that your kids would listen to different music to you and go out and take drugs and talk about politics seems perfectly natural. It must have been terrifying back then.

And now you cant even give them a thump when they play up. No wonder they act like a bunch of little ****ers.

Trouble is, those adults had already lost all credibility because of The War. I mean, who is going to listen to, people whose beliefs and teachings and way of life had resulted in so much death and destruction.

[Burney]

Trouble is, those adults had already lost all credibility because of The War. I mean, who is going to listen to, people whose beliefs and teachings and way of life had resulted in so much death and destruction.

Do you think? We were all in awe of our teachers who'd seen action. Even if the old buggers were useless in every other regard, the suggestion that they'd 'had a good war' meant they were afforded respect.

Mind you, I was at a proper school.

[Burney]

When the 50s started pretty much all media, TV and social impulse was directed towards adults, or parents. Music on the radio was for your dad.

By the end of the 60s youth culture dominated everything. Imagining trying to parent all of that. ****ing nightmare! Obviously these days the idea that your kids would listen to different music to you and go out and take drugs and talk about politics seems perfectly natural. It must have been terrifying back then.

And now you cant even give them a thump when they play up. No wonder they act like a bunch of little ****ers.

The lack of violence to which most young middle class people are exposed these days is also extremely problematic. How can any young animal possibly expect to understand its place in the hierarchy without the occasional battering? If you ask me, there are few more educational moments in life than being punched in the face.

[Peter]

The lack of violence to which most young middle class people are exposed these days is also extremely problematic. How can any young animal possibly expect to understand its place in the hierarchy without the occasional battering? If you ask me, there are few more educational moments in life than being punched in the face.

Hmmmmm... violence in the broader sense, yes. I vividly remember the first time a full back told me he was going to break my legs or a bowler told me the next few were all heading for my ears. I am not convinced that mindless violence taught me anything.