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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Oh, I know. It's just a trope that gets on my wick and is used by all sides of every argument to justify their position.
    You'll be telling me there's some sort of agenda with videos like this next
    When I was young and full of rage
    I hated Tottenham to the core
    But now I've reached a gentler age
    I hate the fùckers even more.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by 71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat View Post
    You'll be telling me there's some sort of agenda with videos like this next
    Brought to you, of course, by the same people who believe that all women should vote for a woman because...errr...she's a woman.

    The stupidity is by no means restricted to one side.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Brought to you, of course, by the same people who believe that all women should vote for a woman because...errr...she's a woman.

    The stupidity is by no means restricted to one side.
    Well I guess the argument for voting for a woman is that no woman has been elected before. And also that, if you're a woman, your life is going to start sucking in about ten days' time. But hey. I ain't a chick, I don't give a fvck. Fvck off, Meryl Streep.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    Well I guess the argument for voting for a woman is that no woman has been elected before. And also that, if you're a woman, your life is going to start sucking in about ten days' time. But hey. I ain't a chick, I don't give a fvck. Fvck off, Meryl Streep.
    That's a remarkably reductive point of view that in effect robs women of their agency by insisting they show solidarity by virtue of their identity regardless of things like policy. Reduce people to mere functions of their identity labels and you can end up making a case that white people should all have voted against Obama.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    That's a remarkably reductive point of view that in effect robs women of their agency by insisting they show solidarity by virtue of their identity regardless of things like policy. Reduce people to mere functions of their identity labels and you can end up making a case that white people should all have voted against Obama.
    Yes, you did say before that the woman "thing" would be a far harder sell than the black "thing". Still, I guess the Obama-Frau will answer the question once and for all, in the fullness of time.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    That's a remarkably reductive point of view that in effect robs women of their agency by insisting they show solidarity by virtue of their identity regardless of things like policy. Reduce people to mere functions of their identity labels and you can end up making a case that white people should all have voted against Obama.
    There are some very concrete effects of the Trump election, including medical care and ****e like that. Also, the agenda, some of which has a gendered component. Women do not, as a rule, own a dozen assault rifles; that's more of a male thing. Trump will be an advocate for those blokes. You will no doubt say something about working class solidarity, closet socialist that you are. That women in blue-collar areas benefit from the policies Trump is advocating. That "women's issues" are marquee, middle class concerns; whereas blue-collar women need to worry about ****e like having their families hold together. Here is where the fakeness of Trump comes in. He's not actually -- I hope I'm wrong -- going to help blue-collar workers. He's cutting down their pay, their medical, all that stuff. It's just rich guy rules. The only thing they got is kicking out the immigrants, which might do some good. We'll see on that one.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    The only thing they got is kicking out the immigrants, which might do some good. We'll see on that one.
    Wasn't Obama doing that anyway? 3 million of them? The ones that got past the wall, I mean fence, that he and Hillary built.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Wasn't Obama doing that anyway? 3 million of them? The ones that got past the wall, I mean fence, that he and Hillary built.
    That simple question turns out to have a more than anticipated complex answer. The increased number of deportations is largely a result of a change in policy that began at the end of the Bush administration. Previously those caught within 100 miles of the border were simply rounded up, put on buses and let go at the border -- this policy was deemed "catch and release" and there was little documentation. Now the policy is those caught within 100 miles are documented (fingerprints, etc.) and then released. Some folks have been 'deported' many many times.

    Conversely Obama determined that they would not pursue illegals outside of 100 miles. So if an illegal makes it to St. Louis the chance of him being deported is essentially zero -- unless he commits a felony. Sometimes not even then as they are in the judicial system and deportations from that part of the government is exceedingly rare.

    As a result, human traffickers have developed a more complicated system that includes a 'trail' far beyond the border and into the heart of the country. From there local authorities have no ability to deport because the Obama policy turns a deaf ear to any local or state LE wanting to deport illegals. This change greatly increased the illegal 'migration' and it continues today.

    Also, the human trafficking pipeline has proven particularly useful for also transporting drugs to places like Ottumwa, Iowa and Peoria, Illinois. Both of those towns are now essentially barrios and they're not the only ones. Illegals and drug-addled locals, that's small town America today.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    There are some very concrete effects of the Trump election, including medical care and ****e like that. Also, the agenda, some of which has a gendered component. Women do not, as a rule, own a dozen assault rifles; that's more of a male thing. Trump will be an advocate for those blokes. You will no doubt say something about working class solidarity, closet socialist that you are. That women in blue-collar areas benefit from the policies Trump is advocating. That "women's issues" are marquee, middle class concerns; whereas blue-collar women need to worry about ****e like having their families hold together. Here is where the fakeness of Trump comes in. He's not actually -- I hope I'm wrong -- going to help blue-collar workers. He's cutting down their pay, their medical, all that stuff. It's just rich guy rules. The only thing they got is kicking out the immigrants, which might do some good. We'll see on that one.
    They just don't like your sort, I think. Just as you don't like theirs.

    It's a little late to start sucking up to them now, imo.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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