By the way. Can we stop using the word binary ?

[Burney]

That isnt strictly true, b. Our PRime Minister went through a round of negotiations with the EU and set out our future relationship. Added to the fact that we were already members itis fair to say there was a far clearer picture of what staying looked like than leaving. It is quite hard to argue against that.

THis doesn't translate into remain voters being one huge mass of clear-minded, rational EU lovers with a clear voice. But they knew what staying in the EU meant and still voted for it. Leave voters were presented with nothing in detail- horror stories on one side, bold promises on the other butno clear picture of how we would leave.

They still voted for it. I honestly thought it would put people off. I think a clearer picture of what departure looked like might have yielded a bigger leave vote.

But millions of people didn't believe Cameron's outlined vision: that's the point. They had had promises from Prime Ministers about the EU in the past and felt let down and lied to.
The whole point about the EU is that it has not proved to be what we were sold. History made it clear that the 'vision' Remain had for the future was absolutely worthless, since our relationship with the EU has been characterised by perpetual mission creep on their part and perpetual, mendacious insistence that that wasn't really the case from our leaders. The idea that we could ever have any kind of credible roadmap for the future within the EU that didn't chime with its express, federalist mission has always been ludicrous.

[Peter]

But millions of people didn't believe Cameron's outlined vision: that's the point. They had had promises from Prime Ministers about the EU in the past and felt let down and lied to.
The whole point about the EU is that it has not proved to be what we were sold. History made it clear that the 'vision' Remain had for the future was absolutely worthless, since our relationship with the EU has been characterised by perpetual mission creep on their part and perpetual, mendacious insistence that that wasn't really the case from our leaders. The idea that we could ever have any kind of credible roadmap for the future within the EU that didn't chime with its express, federalist mission has always been ludicrous.

With respect, what people are told and whether they believe it are not the same thing. I think it is tough to argue that the consequences of remaining were as unclear as the consequences of leaving.

The funny thing is that remainers nowwant to complain that the leave vote didnt know what they were voting for. For decades Brexiteers have argued that those voting in 1975 didnt know what they were voting for.

[Burney]

With respect, what people are told and whether they believe it are not the same thing. I think it is tough to argue that the consequences of remaining were as unclear as the consequences of leaving.

The funny thing is that remainers nowwant to complain that the leave vote didnt know what they were voting for. For decades Brexiteers have argued that those voting in 1975 didnt know what they were voting for.

Well it's pretty clear that those voting Yes in 1975 didn't know what they were voting for. That's why they voted Leave in 2016.