So it's another referendum then. Ignore Mrs May's firm assertion that there will

[Burney]

not be one. One decent Twitter storm and she'll fold like a cheap picnic table, then Comrade Jeremy will mobilise the nitwit millennials with promises of riches, free iPhones and affordable housing.

A push and shove boys and the land is ours, or theirs....whatever!

Errr....no. Not it isn't. There is no possibility of a second referendum. Nigel Farage is irrelevant.

Also, you have to remember that Jez has actually committed to getting us out of the Single Market and the Customs Union, so he's a fairly unlikely figurehead for a Remain vote, I'd have thought.

[Peter]

Errr....no. Not it isn't. There is no possibility of a second referendum. Nigel Farage is irrelevant.

Also, you have to remember that Jez has actually committed to getting us out of the Single Market and the Customs Union, so he's a fairly unlikely figurehead for a Remain vote, I'd have thought.

A second referendum would be great fun. Even better, a second referendum where you get exactly the same result, to the nearest percentage point, would be even funnier.

Best of three?

[World's End Stella]

A second referendum would be great fun. Even better, a second referendum where you get exactly the same result, to the nearest percentage point, would be even funnier.

Best of three?

I would vote Remain again while secretly hoping that Leave won by a larger margin for no reason other than to watch Blair, Campbell et al try and squirm their way out of that one.

[Burney]

I would vote Remain again while secretly hoping that Leave won by a larger margin for no reason other than to watch Blair, Campbell et al try and squirm their way out of that one.

Blair has said with a straight face that he wouldn't rule out a third referendum in such a case. That's the sort of people we're dealing with here. The public vote means nothing to them unless it delivers the result they want. Gobshítes.

Mind you, if a Remain vote were returned, it would be fascinating to hear the reasons given as to why a third vote shouldn't be allowed.

[Peter]

Blair has said with a straight face that he wouldn't rule out a third referendum in such a case. That's the sort of people we're dealing with here. The public vote means nothing to them unless it delivers the result they want. Gobshítes.

Mind you, if a Remain vote were returned, it would be fascinating to hear the reasons given as to why a third vote shouldn't be allowed.

That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

[redgunamo]

That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

Is everyone just playing for time now then? Maybe there'll eventually be no EU left to Brexit from?

[Burney]

Is everyone just playing for time now then? Maybe there'll eventually be no EU left to Brexit from?

The shenanigans with the Visegrád Group are going to get worse before they get better, which could mean more countries leaving. After all, I don't think the Poles, Slovaks, Czechs and Hungarians are likely to come around to the idea of mass muslim immigration any time soon.

[Burney]

That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

I think it would be touch and go as it was before. Sir John Curtice has made it clear that there has been no real shift in people's opinions since June 2016, so any vote would still be within the margin for error and thus too close to call.

A vote on the exit deal makes no sense. Your choice could only be between accepting the deal on the table or leaving with no deal at all. Either way, we leave.

[World's End Stella]

That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

I think there is an argument to be made that any referendum (forget Brexit specifically) is more likely to be representative if you have a second and final vote.

A single referendum is always open to the criticism that people didn't take it seriously because they thought it was certain that the public would vote one way or the other, or that something was fundamentally misrepresented in the lead up to the vote etc etc. A second referendum would resolve many of those concerns with necessarily leaving us open to the possibility of a third referendum.

I don't want one, of course, but I don't buy the argument that you can't have a second one without considering the possibility of a third one.

[Burney]

I think there is an argument to be made that any referendum (forget Brexit specifically) is more likely to be representative if you have a second and final vote.

A single referendum is always open to the criticism that people didn't take it seriously because they thought it was certain that the public would vote one way or the other, or that something was fundamentally misrepresented in the lead up to the vote etc etc. A second referendum would resolve many of those concerns with necessarily leaving us open to the possibility of a third referendum.

I don't want one, of course, but I don't buy the argument that you can't have a second one without considering the possibility of a third one.

The trouble with this argument (aparty from the bullshít about people not taking it seriously) is that it’s innately authoritarian. It smacks of teacher being able to tell the naughty electorate to go away and think about what it’s done and come back with the ‘right’ answer this time. In other words, it undermines the whole nature and purpose of the process.