May I ask, in an entirely judgement-free way, whether our resident Sanchez bashers

[Burney]

It is rather difficult to impose values on someone, isnt it? Is that not one of the major issues with the whole multicultural debate, the PC agenda, the 'conspiracy of silence' over Brexit?

The issue is more 'these are our values, these are our customs, these are our laws- **** with them at your peril and expect to face the full consequences'.

I understand that you and Monty will say that the reluctance of officials to tackle these breaches is rooted in the fear of being branded racist/islamophobic/a bad person and that we need to tackle that first. I agree, but this is where you tackle that reluctance- in upholding the law.

I wholly concur, but would take issue with your distinction between the law and our culture. Our law is to a large extent a manifestation of our culture and there is little doubt that there has been and remains a politically-led reluctance to uphold it where Islamic communities are concerned. This reluctance is what has allowed things like the rape gangs and FGM to flourish. Our authorities - be it national government, the judiciary, police, education bodies or local government - have deliberately prioritised 'sensitivity' towards one ethno-religious group above the upholding of the law. In doing so, they have abandoned huge numbers of victims and in fact served to heighten ethnic tensions across the board. This policy - and there can be little doubt it has amounted to a policy - has been a disgraceful example of identity politics being allowed to trump justice, decency and the duty of a state to protect its citizens.

[Peter]

I wholly concur, but would take issue with your distinction between the law and our culture. Our law is to a large extent a manifestation of our culture and there is little doubt that there has been and remains a politically-led reluctance to uphold it where Islamic communities are concerned. This reluctance is what has allowed things like the rape gangs and FGM to flourish. Our authorities - be it national government, the judiciary, police, education bodies or local government - have deliberately prioritised 'sensitivity' towards one ethno-religious group above the upholding of the law. In doing so, they have abandoned huge numbers of victims and in fact served to heighten ethnic tensions across the board. This policy - and there can be little doubt it has amounted to a policy - has been a disgraceful example of identity politics being allowed to trump justice, decency and the duty of a state to protect its citizens.

The law is the law. Culture is a catch all term that can be used t define pretty anything that isnt written down. One may flow from the other (or may not) but without question there is a distinction to be made between the two.

I am happy for people to come to our country and be free to respect their own traditions, their own religion, their own customs. THis cant apply to some and not to the others.

I am not happy for people to come to our country and persistently break the law or cause public nuisance. I am not happy for them to come here and demand that we change to suit them. I am not happy for them to be treated differently in the eyes of the law, whether this is preferential treatment, political cowardice (cover ups) or harsher penalties.

'Sensitivity, under any guise, should not feature in the justice system. The law and the public interest are all that should matter.

[Monty92]

The law is the law. Culture is a catch all term that can be used t define pretty anything that isnt written down. One may flow from the other (or may not) but without question there is a distinction to be made between the two.

I am happy for people to come to our country and be free to respect their own traditions, their own religion, their own customs. THis cant apply to some and not to the others.

I am not happy for people to come to our country and persistently break the law or cause public nuisance. I am not happy for them to come here and demand that we change to suit them. I am not happy for them to be treated differently in the eyes of the law, whether this is preferential treatment, political cowardice (cover ups) or harsher penalties.

'Sensitivity, under any guise, should not feature in the justice system. The law and the public interest are all that should matter.

You're happy for people to come to our country and be free to respect their own traditions and religion when those traditions and religion compel them to hate benders, birds and people who draw cartoons of a *****phile prophet, so long as they don't break the law?

[Peter]

You're happy for people to come to our country and be free to respect their own traditions and religion when those traditions and religion compel them to hate benders, birds and people who draw cartoons of a *****phile prophet, so long as they don't break the law?

Do you want expect everyone to like benders? Do you expect everyone to have a modern and enlightened view of women?

As men we are already rapists. Pretty soon we are going to be as bad as the Muslims when it comes to gender fluidity and whatever other *******s gets forced on us.

I am never comfortable with telling people how they should think. I also happen to think it is very un-british.

[Monty92]

Do you want expect everyone to like benders? Do you expect everyone to have a modern and enlightened view of women?

As men we are already rapists. Pretty soon we are going to be as bad as the Muslims when it comes to gender fluidity and whatever other *******s gets forced on us.

I am never comfortable with telling people how they should think. I also happen to think it is very un-british.

Of course we can't do anything about the ****s already here legally - regardless of their ethnicity, race or religion. But we can do something about the ****s who aren't.

[Peter]

Of course we can't do anything about the ****s already here legally - regardless of their ethnicity, race or religion. But we can do something about the ****s who aren't.

Errr.... yeah, I suppose.

[Burney]

The law is the law. Culture is a catch all term that can be used t define pretty anything that isnt written down. One may flow from the other (or may not) but without question there is a distinction to be made between the two.

I am happy for people to come to our country and be free to respect their own traditions, their own religion, their own customs. THis cant apply to some and not to the others.

I am not happy for people to come to our country and persistently break the law or cause public nuisance. I am not happy for them to come here and demand that we change to suit them. I am not happy for them to be treated differently in the eyes of the law, whether this is preferential treatment, political cowardice (cover ups) or harsher penalties.

'Sensitivity, under any guise, should not feature in the justice system. The law and the public interest are all that should matter.

The problem is that the second issue stems directly from your attitude to the first. Blind eyes have been turned precisely because people like you think it’s terribly important for immigrants to follow their own cultural path. That attitude has infected officialdom to a point now I that the idea of acting in an official capacity against Muslims now paralyses the authorities with fear.

[Peter]

The problem is that the second issue stems directly from your attitude to the first. Blind eyes have been turned precisely because people like you think it’s terribly important for immigrants to follow their own cultural path. That attitude has infected officialdom to a point now I that the idea of acting in an official capacity against Muslims now paralyses the authorities with fear.

People like me dont accept that as an excuse. Its pathetic.

[Burney]

People like me dont accept that as an excuse. Its pathetic.

The average Guardian reader is the first to froth at the mouth in discussions of Trojan Horse schools or Prevent-style anti-terrorism measures - and that is the sort of pressure that paralyses authorities into inaction across the board.

[Peter]

The average Guardian reader is the first to froth at the mouth in discussions of Trojan Horse schools or Prevent-style anti-terrorism measures - and that is the sort of pressure that paralyses authorities into inaction across the board.

Well firstly I resent being lumped in with Guardian readers.

Secondly, Prevent is total and utter *******s and precisely the sort of lip service that facilitates the inaction that angers you. It is worthless activity.