Is the Tory party actually on a mission to alienate every single voter in the country

[Peter]

The interesting thing about this latest Tory announcement is that the gay and transgender communities are all coming out against it, as they believe it represents an existential threat to their own identities.

After all, if sex and gender as as fluid as is claimed, then how can a gay man or woman be gay, if we cannot be sure they are even a man or a woman, and are themselves free to change their mind at the drop of a hat?

Surely we are still allowed to identify as our own gender rather than have some huge melting point? It doesn't matter how many weirdos and benders there are, I am still a bloke. You cant deny my right to identify as a geezer.

[Monty92]

Surely we are still allowed to identify as our own gender rather than have some huge melting point? It doesn't matter how many weirdos and benders there are, I am still a bloke. You cant deny my right to identify as a geezer.

But the reason we are now allowed to identity as we wish is because we now know that gender and sex emerge from our experiences rather than biological fact. So what we traditionally known to mean being homosexual or heterosexual (when you fancy people of the opposite gender/sex) no longer applies.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

But the reason we are now allowed to identity as we wish is because we now know that gender and sex emerge from our experiences rather than biological fact. So what we traditionally known to mean being homosexual or heterosexual (when you fancy people of the opposite gender/sex) no longer applies.

How does sex emerge from our experiences ?
Curious

[Monty92]

How does sex emerge from our experiences ?
Curious

https://www.autostraddle.com/its-tim...sogyny-240284/

[Burney]

https://www.autostraddle.com/its-tim...sogyny-240284/

Laughable as that article is, it's also scary. Essentially, it is someone holding demonstrable facts up to ridicule and contempt based on an absurd, faith-based dogma. In essence, it's no different to a fundamentalist tract denouncing evolution or an article in Dabiq that holds western science in contempt because it clashes with the Koran. These people scare me.

[Monty92]

Laughable as that article is, it's also scary. Essentially, it is someone holding demonstrable facts up to ridicule and contempt based on an absurd, faith-based dogma. In essence, it's no different to a fundamentalist tract denouncing evolution or an article in Dabiq that holds western science in contempt because it clashes with the Koran. These people scare me.

Both laughable and scary, you say?

"Mey Valdivia Rude is a bisexual Latina trans woman living in Los Angeles. She's a writer, comic consultant and a trans activist. She's a bruja, a femme, a pop princess and she loves comic books, witches, dinosaurs and crying."

[Burney]

Both laughable and scary, you say?

"Mey Valdivia Rude is a bisexual Latina trans woman living in Los Angeles. She's a writer, comic consultant and a trans activist. She's a bruja, a femme, a pop princess and she loves comic books, witches, dinosaurs and crying."

Blimey. Thank God these people have such high suicide rates.

[Peter]

But the reason we are now allowed to identity as we wish is because we now know that gender and sex emerge from our experiences rather than biological fact. So what we traditionally known to mean being homosexual or heterosexual (when you fancy people of the opposite gender/sex) no longer applies.

Of course they still apply. What you have in your pants and what you want to have there remains different and distinct from where you want to stick it.

For them, those traditional notions may not apply but for the rest of us they do. I am a bloke who fancies women and I identify as such. Whats wrong with that?

[Burney]

Of course they still apply. What you have in your pants and what you want to have there remains different and distinct from where you want to stick it.

For them, those traditional notions may not apply but for the rest of us they do. I am a bloke who fancies women and I identify as such. Whats wrong with that?

What's wrong with that is that you use the nonsense of saying that that is how you 'identify' as opposed to saying that that is just plain and simple what you bloody well are. To say you 'identify' is to concede that those definitions are of your choosing or might at some point change. Once you concede that absolutes are negotiable, you're in trouble.

[Peter]

What's wrong with that is that you use the nonsense of saying that that is how you 'identify' as opposed to saying that that is just plain and simple what you bloody well are. To say you 'identify' is to concede that those definitions are of your choosing or might at some point change. Once you concede that absolutes are negotiable, you're in trouble.

Of course. But if you start going down that road they win. There is no end to this conversation other than to stick them in a third bog and let them say whatever the **** they want.

And they are not having the op on the NHS either. **** that.