I believe we are offering Wilshere a pay cut.

[Burney]

We have paid millions to loads of players for doing fúck all for years, reserve players, non first 11 players. It's football I'm afraid.

He has now regained fitness, proven his fitness, however you want to term it.

This is not like a Diaby where the lad was fúcked and was never un-fúcked. He is fit and as before unless there is a serious underlying medical condition then he is arguably no more likely to incur another long-term injury as any other player.

I just can’t see how we can choose to play him as we are, and then sit down with him and say we think you’re too high risk. If he is high risk fair enough, fúck him out the window.

Yes, but this is a rot we need to stop. Wilshere is injury prone and I can think of very few injury prone players who stop being injury prone and go on to have uninterrupted careers. I'm happy to see us being a bit more ruthless.

[Peter]

Yes, but this is a rot we need to stop. Wilshere is injury prone and I can think of very few injury prone players who stop being injury prone and go on to have uninterrupted careers. I'm happy to see us being a bit more ruthless.

That ruthlessness needs to start by getting rid of a dreadful manager, not getting rid of our best midfielder.

Let someone competent start making the ruthless decisions.

[Burney]

That ruthlessness needs to start by getting rid of a dreadful manager, not getting rid of our best midfielder.

Let someone competent start making the ruthless decisions.

He isn't our best midfielder. That's just sentimental böllocks. Get rid and start again.

[IUFG]

He isn't our best midfielder.

Correct.

Quite clearly that honour is bestowed upon Iwobi. Jeezus H ****ing Christ.

[Peter]

He isn't our best midfielder. That's just sentimental böllocks. Get rid and start again.

Aside from Cazorla, who is dead, he is- by a mile actually, although only because the others are stunningly mediocre or, in the case of Ramsey, incapable of actually playing in midfield.

[Burney]

Aside from Cazorla, who is dead, he is- by a mile actually, although only because the others are stunningly mediocre or, in the case of Ramsey, incapable of actually playing in midfield.

His record for us says otherwise.

[Ash]

Aside from Cazorla, who is dead, he is- by a mile actually, although only because the others are stunningly mediocre or, in the case of Ramsey, incapable of actually playing in midfield.

Ramsey is better in a three-man midfield, I reckon. At the moment Jack is looking like we need to get him signed up again, at least to avoid having to bring in about twelve new players in the next couple of years.

[redgunamo]

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[SWv2]

Aside from Cazorla, who is dead, he is- by a mile actually, although only because the others are stunningly mediocre or, in the case of Ramsey, incapable of actually playing in midfield.

Come now Pedro, a modicum of restraint here please coupled with some sort of knowledge of the game and/or position.

Ramsey is either playing with a) no tactical restriction or instruction or b) playing with no tactical restriction or instruction within a midfield combination which is devoid of order or balance.

To say he simply cannot play is a nonsense.

[World's End Stella]

Come now Pedro, a modicum of restraint here please coupled with some sort of knowledge of the game and/or position.

Ramsey is either playing with a) no tactical restriction or instruction or b) playing with no tactical restriction or instruction within a midfield combination which is devoid of order or balance.

To say he simply cannot play is a nonsense.

He didn't say he couldn't play - he said he couldn't play in midfield. And given that he is 27 years old and we have yet to see him ever prove that he could play there, it seems a fair view imo.