How to spin an election result.

[WES]

Leavers who promised a good deal would argue that the reason we've wound up with a bad deal is because the entire process has been a) run by remainers treating it as a damage limitation exercise, b) sabotaged by those who have manouvered to take no deal off the table

This may not be true, but it's not the most outrageous claim in the world. We simply don't know how much the EU would have bent had they been faced by a hard Brexiteer PM from the outset with more ability to keep their Cabinet in line. And so it would seem reasonable at this point to give them a chance to prove they were right all along, the opportunity for which is (just about) still open.

Yes, I agree. The Tories should select a hard Brexiter and go into negotiations with the EU with no deal on the table. If they don't move - and I see no reason to believe they will - then we should go to no deal. If we can get a deal, fine, but I'd be willing to bet there is no deal at all that will keep the large majority of Leave voters happy.

The point is assuming we have to go to no deal, what do you do then? This parliament won't let it go through so the only option is a GE or a second referendum. My choice would be the latter, and I would choose the question a laid out because even with a GE there is no certainty that both major parties might still not try the middle ground and we end up back where we are now.

[Burney]

Yes, I agree. The Tories should select a hard Brexiter and go into negotiations with the EU with no deal on the table. If they don't move - and I see no reason to believe they will - then we should go to no deal. If we can get a deal, fine, but I'd be willing to bet there is no deal at all that will keep the large majority of Leave voters happy.

The point is assuming we have to go to no deal, what do you do then? This parliament won't let it go through so the only option is a GE or a second referendum. My choice would be the latter, and I would choose the question a laid out because even with a GE there is no certainty that both major parties might still not try the middle ground and we end up back where we are now.

It is perfectly possible for No Deal to go through using purely executive powers. Parliament need not be involved. For that to happen would require a PM with the balls to do it, though.

[redgunamo]

Aren't you worried a GE could wipe Remain out, once and for all

Yes, I agree. The Tories should select a hard Brexiter and go into negotiations with the EU with no deal on the table. If they don't move - and I see no reason to believe they will - then we should go to no deal. If we can get a deal, fine, but I'd be willing to bet there is no deal at all that will keep the large majority of Leave voters happy.

The point is assuming we have to go to no deal, what do you do then? This parliament won't let it go through so the only option is a GE or a second referendum. My choice would be the latter, and I would choose the question a laid out because even with a GE there is no certainty that both major parties might still not try the middle ground and we end up back where we are now.

[Burney]

Aren't you worried a GE could wipe Remain out, once and for all

If a proper Brexiteer came in and immediately threatened to withdraw the whip from any hardcore remainers (meaning they would be fúcked at a GE) and then dared them to bring down the government, he might have to go to the country, but he'd have a good chance of actually winning a workable majority sans remain filth clogging up the party.

[redgunamo]

I wanted him to admit that

If a proper Brexiteer came in and immediately threatened to withdraw the whip from any hardcore remainers (meaning they would be fúcked at a GE) and then dared them to bring down the government, he might have to go to the country, but he'd have a good chance of actually winning a workable majority sans remain filth clogging up the party.

[Sir C]

If a proper Brexiteer came in and immediately threatened to withdraw the whip from any hardcore remainers (meaning they would be fúcked at a GE) and then dared them to bring down the government, he might have to go to the country, but he'd have a good chance of actually winning a workable majority sans remain filth clogging up the party.

'Remain filth'? Really?

[Burney]

'Remain filth'? Really?

Absolutely! We must have ideological purity within the Party.

The scum must be purged: Remainers; Lefty bleeding hearts; identity politics wallahs; tax raisers; Allan-lovers; nanny staters; warmists - they all have to go.

[Sir C]

Absolutely! We must have ideological purity within the Party.

The scum must be purged: Remainers; Lefty bleeding hearts; identity politics wallahs; tax raisers; Allan-lovers; nanny staters; warmists - they all have to go.

This cavalier use of intemperate language distresses me. When the left do it we, quite rightly, assume the moral high ground.

Be better than the leftists, b. Do now crawl into the gutter with them.

[Burney]

This cavalier use of intemperate language distresses me. When the left do it we, quite rightly, assume the moral high ground.

Be better than the leftists, b. Do now crawl into the gutter with them.

Pfff. The centre is dead. You and your moderation and your namby-pamby fears of nasty words have no place in the glorious future, in which the enemies of Britain must be crushed utterly on the way to glorious, sunlit uplands.

[redgunamo]

You see what you and your sort have done? That's practically the entire Conservative party nowadays

Absolutely! We must have ideological purity within the Party.

The scum must be purged: Remainers; Lefty bleeding hearts; identity politics wallahs; tax raisers; Allan-lovers; nanny staters; warmists - they all have to go.