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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I like him and he's sound on Islam, but he really needs to get the fùck over himself when it comes to Donald Trump.
    I agree, but his objection to Trump is not rooted in political partisanship. Well that's what he claims, anyway.

    He's actually just released a podcast with a Trump supporter - the creator of Dilbert, no less. Only listened to half an hour so far, but covers some interesting ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    I agree, but his objection to Trump is not rooted in political partisanship. Well that's what he claims, anyway.

    He's actually just released a podcast with a Trump supporter - the creator of Dilbert, no less. Only listened to half an hour so far, but covers some interesting ground.
    Yes, I haven't listened to that one precisely because it deals with Trump, on which subject I find Mr Harris fearfully po-faced.

    I believe his antipathy isn not party-political. However, the impression I get is that his objection is quasi-aesthetic. - that he finds the mere idea of Trump offensive to his middle-class, liberal intellectual sensibilities. He doesn't seem to grasp that offending people like him on those grounds is precisely the point of Donald Trump.

  3. #3

    I cannot spare this man; he FIGHTS!

    As the man said.

    And if the fight is to be dirty, well then, the Donald is prepared for that too. For far too long, conservative leaders haven't been prepared to win ugly. His opponents seem to be upset that they've found an adversary who is every bit as dirty and ugly as they are.


    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Yes, I haven't listened to that one precisely because it deals with Trump, on which subject I find Mr Harris fearfully po-faced.

    I believe his antipathy isn not party-political. However, the impression I get is that his objection is quasi-aesthetic. - that he finds the mere idea of Trump offensive to his middle-class, liberal intellectual sensibilities. He doesn't seem to grasp that offending people like him on those grounds is precisely the point of Donald Trump.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Yes, I haven't listened to that one precisely because it deals with Trump, on which subject I find Mr Harris fearfully po-faced.

    I believe his antipathy isn not party-political. However, the impression I get is that his objection is quasi-aesthetic. - that he finds the mere idea of Trump offensive to his middle-class, liberal intellectual sensibilities. He doesn't seem to grasp that offending people like him on those grounds is precisely the point of Donald Trump.
    I agree to a point. But I don't think it's quite right to lump Harris in with the middle class liberal intelligentsia, as he would be chucked out of your average Hamptons dinner party within 5 seconds of opening his mouth on most subjects. He is, after all, pro-racial profiling, pro-torture (in some instances), and pro-immigration control, among other things.

    The podcast is worth listening to, I think. The fella interviewed is non-political, and stays well away from the usual political talking points around Trump and instead attempts to defend his character in a thought-provoking way.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    I agree to a point. But I don't think it's quite right to lump Harris in with the middle class liberal intelligentsia, as he would be chucked out of your average Hamptons dinner party within 5 seconds of opening his mouth on most subjects.

    The podcast is worth listening to, I think. The fella interviewed is non-political, and stays well away from the usual political talking points around Trump and instead attempts to defend his character in a thought-provoking way.
    I can't do podcasts; listening to folk wittering on is hellish. What thoughts did he provoke?
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    I can't do podcasts; listening to folk wittering on is hellish. What thoughts did he provoke?
    Lots of thoughts.

    He asked Harris what he'd prefer, the far right moving to the centre or the far left moving to the centre, and pointed out that no-one has done more in living memory to move more people from the far right to the centre than Trump.

    Provoked my thought, anyhoo.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    Lots of thoughts.

    He asked Harris what he'd prefer, the far right moving to the centre or the far left moving to the centre, and pointed out that no-one has done more in living memory to move more people from the far right to the centre than Trump.

    Provoked my thought, anyhoo.
    Not bad, I guess. Damning with faint praise, they call it, I think.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Not bad, I guess. Damning with faint praise, they call it, I think.

    He's only moved people in the sense that he's redefined what the centre is, though.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    I agree to a point. But I don't think it's quite right to lump Harris in with the middle class liberal intelligentsia, as he would be chucked out of your average Hamptons dinner party within 5 seconds of opening his mouth on most subjects. He is, after all, pro-racial profiling, pro-torture (in some instances), and pro-immigration control, among other things.

    The podcast is worth listening to, I think. The fella interviewed is non-political, and stays well away from the usual political talking points around Trump and instead attempts to defend his character in a thought-provoking way.
    Fair enough. I'll give it a listen. Harris just annoys me with his 'not fit to be President' schtick. What the fùck does that even mean? He's clever enough to know that the concept of a fit President is an entirely subjective construct.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Fair enough. I'll give it a listen. Harris just annoys me with his 'not fit to be President' schtick. What the fùck does that even mean? He's clever enough to know that the concept of a fit President is an entirely subjective construct.
    But he's never suggested that he isn't a legitimate president, I don't think. And he also begrudgingly praised his recent speech in Poland.

    But yes, his main problem with Trump is aesthetic. But bear in mind Harris is a man who is pathologically obsessed with ethical human behaviour, to the extent that he even wrote a book saying that lying is ALWAYS ethically wrong (except in cases where lying would keep someone out of danger). AND he's a vegan!

    Basically, he's a proper weirdo. But I do love him.

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