Len McCluskey on the election: "The whingers and whiners say we didn't win. I say we

[Ash]

I guess they might compare it to losing 2-0 in the first leg of a European away tie and scoring a consolation in the last minute. In this scenario, defeat would feel like victory.

Or, they might just mean that the GE was the building block for victory next time round, which to be fair *might* be true.

The thing is, JC got an absolute cùnting in the entire media, and from all parties including his own for about two years and still scored that away goal. Without knowing all voters' motives, I expect it was a combination of hope both from traditional labour voters that he might improve their lot, and from labour's new middle class core hoping that his pro-EU party would reverse Brexit.

While he has secured the latter, his betrayal of the former will be punished imo. The UKIP could well be back in the next GE.

[Monty92]

The thing is, JC got an absolute cùnting in the entire media, and from all parties including his own for about two years and still scored that away goal. Without knowing all voters' motives, I expect it was a combination of hope both from traditional labour voters that he might improve their lot, and from labour's new middle class core hoping that his pro-EU party would reverse Brexit.

While he has secured the latter, his betrayal of the former will be punished imo. The UKIP could well be back in the next GE.

You've got that confused, haven't you? If any Labour voters feel betrayed right now, it's the middle class.

[Burney]

You've got that confused, haven't you? If any Labour voters feel betrayed right now, it's the middle class.

Eh? Labour's Brexit policy reversal has been instituted precisely to gain the votes of the pro-EU middle classes.

[Monty92]

Eh? Labour's Brexit policy reversal has been instituted precisely to gain the votes of the pro-EU middle classes.

Eh? Their official position is still that we are leaving the single market. The only concession is that they are leaving all options open.

Hence why the middle class are still massively pissed off with Corbyn for his "betrayal"

[World's End Stella]

Eh? Their official position is still that we are leaving the single market. The only concession is that they are leaving all options open.

Hence why the middle class are still massively pissed off with Corbyn for his "betrayal"

Funny, could have sworn Corbyn on Andrew Marr yesterday said that Labour's position was that we should stay in the single market.

Mind you, he was talking in circles most of the time, anyway.

[Monty92]

Funny, could have sworn Corbyn on Andrew Marr yesterday said that Labour's position was that we should stay in the single market.

Mind you, he was talking in circles most of the time, anyway.

Only during the transitional period. After that, his priority is gaining tariff-free access to the single market, i.e. from outside of it.

[Burney]

The thing is, JC got an absolute cùnting in the entire media, and from all parties including his own for about two years and still scored that away goal. Without knowing all voters' motives, I expect it was a combination of hope both from traditional labour voters that he might improve their lot, and from labour's new middle class core hoping that his pro-EU party would reverse Brexit.

While he has secured the latter, his betrayal of the former will be punished imo. The UKIP could well be back in the next GE.

It seems to me that they've officially decided that the middle class core is more important to them than the traditional base. I guess they figure enough of the latter will vote for them (along with their muslim vote) to get them elected in former industrial towns, while the middle classes could actually help them gain seats from the tories - which is what they most need to do.

In other words, if the traditional Labour voters keep bovinely voting Labour regardless of Labour's policies, they're going to get royally screwed - and they're going to deserve it.

[Monty92]

It seems to me that they've officially decided that the middle class core is more important to them than the traditional base. I guess they figure enough of the latter will vote for them (along with their muslim vote) to get them elected in former industrial towns, while the middle classes could actually help them gain seats from the tories - which is what they most need to do.

In other words, if the traditional Labour voters keep bovinely voting Labour regardless of Labour's policies, they're going to get royally screwed - and they're going to deserve it.

But the young middle class will vote for Labour regardless. it's only their parents who probably aren't subjected to the peer pressure of social media who will often be Tory or swing voters.

[Burney]

But the young middle class will vote for Labour regardless. it's only their parents who probably aren't subjected to the peer pressure of social media who will often be Tory or swing voters.

My daughter won't. She won't say, of course, but I strongly suspect she voted Labour because of the tuition fees thing. The subsequent total backtrack on that policy has convinced her that Labour are not to be trusted.

[Monty92]

My daughter won't. She won't say, of course, but I strongly suspect she voted Labour because of the tuition fees thing. The subsequent total backtrack on that policy has convinced her that Labour are not to be trusted.

Well that's good news (and good for her), but I fear she's in a minority.