Is Wenger being selfish?

[Ash]

100% agree on the above but at this part of the conundrum I would point the finger at the board who have offered him the new deal.

I think we would both agree that Wenger probably believes he can turn this around so will sign, but that option perhaps should not even be available to him, the board having weighed up past years, past failures and decided that all in he has done a great job in the far past but is not the man for the future.

The whole scenario is at risk of descending into farce from boardroom level through management to playing staff. None of these three seperate parties are coming out of this with one ounce of credit.

And yet some people would rather blame the fans.

[SWv2]

And yet some people would rather blame the fans.

Well personally I don’t think the whole banners during matches and flying of planes with messages attached is of any help other than focusing the media on the circus.

Before and after games is fair enough.

I would suggest we are actually a laughing stock at the moment. Just imagine the mileage we would be getting from these events in N17.

[Sir C]

Well personally I don’t think the whole banners during matches and flying of planes with messages attached is of any help other than focusing the media on the circus.

Before and after games is fair enough.

I would suggest we are actually a laughing stock at the moment. Just imagine the mileage we would be getting from these events in N17.

Of course if the Wenger Out enthusiasts were a large majority, and if they really believed that they were acting in the club's best interests in having the manager removed, we would fail to sell half our season tickets this spring and then you'd see a reaction from the owner.

Of course these people will continue to pay as if they have no agency in the matter, and then moan about what they receive for their money

[SWv2]

Of course if the Wenger Out enthusiasts were a large majority, and if they really believed that they were acting in the club's best interests in having the manager removed, we would fail to sell half our season tickets this spring and then you'd see a reaction from the owner.

Of course these people will continue to pay as if they have no agency in the matter, and then moan about what they receive for their money

Well I have to say I would not expect any supporter to give up on ST entitlement due to dislike of Wenger.

Football support transcends the individual and indeed the present.

[Sir C]

Well I have to say I would not expect any supporter to give up on ST entitlement due to dislike of Wenger.

Football support transcends the individual and indeed the present.

You've properly embarrassed yourself there, old chap.

[SWv2]

You've properly embarrassed yourself there, old chap.

Well it does. I don't particularly like any of our current players but it does not dilute support for the club. I actually dislike some of them, others I am simply indifferent to.

[Sir C]

Well it does. I don't particularly like any of our current players but it does not dilute support for the club. I actually dislike some of them, others I am simply indifferent to.

Yes, yes, but this idea that football fans 'deserve' something, or are in some way different to consumers of any other product, service or entertainment, is just a bit silly. If they don't want Wenger at the club and if they don't renew in sufficient numbers, he'll be gone. But turning up every week and moaning about what they're watching is a bit silly.

[Ash]

Of course if the Wenger Out enthusiasts were a large majority, and if they really believed that they were acting in the club's best interests in having the manager removed, we would fail to sell half our season tickets this spring and then you'd see a reaction from the owner.

Of course these people will continue to pay as if they have no agency in the matter, and then moan about what they receive for their money

This is based on the asumption that in football, supply-and-demand operates in the same way as every other business.

Which, of course, it completely doesn't.

[Burney]

This is based on the asumption that in football, supply-and-demand operates in the same way as every other business.

Which, of course, it completely doesn't.

And yet these fans demand the service they feel they have paid for in the form of results and trophies and whatnot, don't they? They feel they are entitled to value for money based on what they pay. The fact that they're too stupid to realise that the club can only charge what the market will bear and - as long as they keep coming back - that's whatever the club likes does not alter the fact that the market is still operating around them.

They are the anomaly and - as long as they keep behaving anomalously - they'll get what they deserve.

[Ash]

And yet these fans demand the service they feel they have paid for in the form of results and trophies and whatnot, don't they? They feel they are entitled to value for money based on what they pay. The fact that they're too stupid to realise that the club can only charge what the market will bear and - as long as they keep coming back - that's whatever the club likes does not alter the fact that the market is still operating around them.

They are the anomaly and - as long as they keep behaving anomalously - they'll get what they deserve.

On one hand you are insisting that market rules apply, and fans are just stupid versions of customers for coming back, but if those customers demand value for money, as customers do in every other business you lampoon this as absurd. Can't have it both ways, imo.

Perhaps a way to understand it is to recognise that the football club holds a monopoly over supporters of that football club.