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Thread: Have we actually had a proper, old skool English collapse so far this tournament?

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Don't think Broad is an automatic pick so maybe an opportunity there (wrong in my view). Woakes isn't guaranteed a start - there is Wood as well. I fancy there may be a bit of rotation but I would start at Edgbaston with:
    Burns
    Roy
    ??? (won't score any runs anyway)
    Root
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler (these three in any order)
    Ali
    Archer
    Broad
    Anderson


    Re Woakes in the ODI - don't think Morgan likes to bowl him in the middle overs. Really seen as just a new ball bowler. Could almost bowl him out from the start. Fair enough to bring him back for the tail though
    Our total lack of a proper top 3 is going to be a major handicap in this Ashes. Starc'll be into our middle order with the ball less than 10 overs old with monotonous frequency this summer.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Don't think Broad is an automatic pick so maybe an opportunity there (wrong in my view). Woakes isn't guaranteed a start - there is Wood as well. I fancy there may be a bit of rotation but I would start at Edgbaston with:
    Burns
    Roy
    ??? (won't score any runs anyway)
    Root
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler (these three in any order)
    Ali
    Archer
    Broad
    Anderson


    Re Woakes in the ODI - don't think Morgan likes to bowl him in the middle overs. Really seen as just a new ball bowler. Could almost bowl him out from the start. Fair enough to bring him back for the tail though
    Foakes for Buttler, I do like a proper keeper.....or push Root to 3 (whether he likes it or not, pity he's Captain) and play Buttler as a specialist batter

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by PSRB View Post
    Foakes for Buttler, I do like a proper keeper.....or push Root to 3 (whether he likes it or not, pity he's Captain) and play Buttler as a specialist batter
    Nah. In a team that contains Bairstow and Buttler, there simply is no excuse for playing a specialist keeper. It's just a waste of a batting spot.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Don't think Broad is an automatic pick so maybe an opportunity there (wrong in my view). Woakes isn't guaranteed a start - there is Wood as well. I fancy there may be a bit of rotation but I would start at Edgbaston with:
    Burns
    Roy
    ??? (won't score any runs anyway)
    Root
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler (these three in any order)
    Ali
    Archer
    Broad
    Anderson


    Re Woakes in the ODI - don't think Morgan likes to bowl him in the middle overs. Really seen as just a new ball bowler. Could almost bowl him out from the start. Fair enough to bring him back for the tail though
    I agree about bringing Woakes back for the tail, but as you say, if he's not going to be used at the death, then keep bowling him if he's only going at 3-4 an over at the start.

    We just don't have a test top 3, though, and I don't see how you can hope to win a series without one.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Our total lack of a proper top 3 is going to be a major handicap in this Ashes. Starc'll be into our middle order with the ball less than 10 overs old with monotonous frequency this summer.
    Starc (famous last words) isn't actually that dangerous in English conditions though. Can't bowl with a Duke ball. Hazelwood may be more of an issue. Interesting, if seems likely, Roy opens. Just needs to come off once or twice and he could have a real effect on the series imo. Genuinely can't think of who we can pick at 3 (Joe? Joe? ARE YOU LISTENING JOE?). Mind you, Jimmy versus their top order shouldn't be a long contest either

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Starc (famous last words) isn't actually that dangerous in English conditions though. Can't bowl with a Duke ball. Hazelwood may be more of an issue. Interesting, if seems likely, Roy opens. Just needs to come off once or twice and he could have a real effect on the series imo. Genuinely can't think of who we can pick at 3 (Joe? Joe? ARE YOU LISTENING JOE?). Mind you, Jimmy versus their top order shouldn't be a long contest either
    As regards Root, I find it odd that people are so happy to compare his average as a number 3 unfavourably with that when he bats 4 and put it down to place in the batting order, but ignore the fact that this decline also coincided with him becoming captain.

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    As regards Root, I find it odd that people are so happy to compare his average as a number 3 unfavourably with that when he bats 4 and put it down to place in the batting order, but ignore the fact that this decline also coincided with him becoming captain.
    He was a pretty decent opener ffs. Also his decline is relative - still third most runs of any player in the world last year.

    Almost an argument for Morgan to be brought into the team as captain. Any runs would be a bonus

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Starc (famous last words) isn't actually that dangerous in English conditions though. Can't bowl with a Duke ball. Hazelwood may be more of an issue. Interesting, if seems likely, Roy opens. Just needs to come off once or twice and he could have a real effect on the series imo. Genuinely can't think of who we can pick at 3 (Joe? Joe? ARE YOU LISTENING JOE?). Mind you, Jimmy versus their top order shouldn't be a long contest either
    Even if you haven't jinxed us to get skittled out by Starc, it doesn't matter. My missus would be too good for any of our contenders for top 3. She bowled against 8 year olds in the park in Mumbai with more talent than the likes of Burns and Vince.

    Do you really think Roy could open in an Ashes test? A FC average of 38, with a SR over 82. We need to see off the new ball and get to lunch, to allow our middle and lower-middle order to make hay in the late-afternoon sun.

    I've honestly seen people posting on the Times and Graun saying the current odi side should be what we use for the test.

    It's the Ashes, ffs. They can't be won simply by playing a bunch of slogging all-rounders. Cloud over and a lost toss and we'll be all out by lunch on the first day.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    He was a pretty decent opener ffs. Also his decline is relative - still third most runs of any player in the world last year.

    Almost an argument for Morgan to be brought into the team as captain. Any runs would be a bonus
    Specialist captain. These super-batters always seem to lose some of their powers when they become captain.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
    Even if you haven't jinxed us to get skittled out by Starc, it doesn't matter. My missus would be too good for any of our contenders for top 3. She bowled against 8 year olds in the park in Mumbai with more talent than the likes of Burns and Vince.

    Do you really think Roy could open in an Ashes test? A FC average of 38, with a SR over 82. We need to see off the new ball and get to lunch, to allow our middle and lower-middle order to make hay in the late-afternoon sun.

    I've honestly seen people posting on the Times and Graun saying the current odi side should be what we use for the test.

    It's the Ashes, ffs. They can't be won simply by playing a bunch of slogging all-rounders. Cloud over and a lost toss and we'll be all out by lunch on the first day.
    It's a gamble and the figures don't stack up but sometimes momentum can be a key thing. Look at Trescothick who hardly had a stellar career pre-Test debut and was unorthodox. Got in on the back of great one-day form and was one of the finest openers we've had imo

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