My question: how could we have gotten it so wrong with Gnabry?

[PSRB]

He doesn't get in the Bayern side when a 35-year-old arthritic Robben is "fit". He had a good five minutes last night but was wasteful for most of the time he was on the pitch. If Iwobi put in a performance like that (and he does tbf) he would be panned

This.

I also remember Gnabry having less than a handful of decent games for us.

[Luis Anaconda]

This.

I also remember Gnabry having less than a handful of decent games for us.

Undoubtedly talented though - but wouldn't be at Bayern if he wasn't German imo. They are crying out for young German talent, really. Müller's star is on the wane, nothing really coming through the youth system since Kimmich (and let's face it, full backs aren't sexy) and the next big hope is a Canadian ffs. Goretzka and Gnabry are there best chance

[PSRB]

Undoubtedly talented though - but wouldn't be at Bayern if he wasn't German imo. They are crying out for young German talent, really. Müller's star is on the wane, nothing really coming through the youth system since Kimmich (and let's face it, full backs aren't sexy) and the next big hope is a Canadian ffs. Goretzka and Gnabry are there best chance

Kimmich always strikes me as massively over-rated

[Luis Anaconda]

Kimmich always strikes me as massively over-rated

Got too big for his boots as seen against Mexico in the World Cup where playing right back wasn't good enough for him so he decided to completely abandon defending

[Sir C]

Got too big for his boots as seen against Mexico in the World Cup where playing right back wasn't good enough for him so he decided to completely abandon defending

I'll tell you what, Clive, Bayern may not be a Great Team any more, but they were fúcking impressive last night. Thon Thiago is a simply magnificent footballer.

[PSRB]

I'll tell you what, Clive, Bayern may not be a Great Team any more, but they were fúcking impressive last night. Thon Thiago is a simply magnificent footballer.

I thought the Martinez was sensational. Utterly ran himself into the ground as well. Proper midfield performance

[Burney]

I'll tell you what, Clive, Bayern may not be a Great Team any more, but they were fúcking impressive last night. Thon Thiago is a simply magnificent footballer.

Didn't watch it.

I glanced briefly at what used to be called terrestrial television last night. The best options were 'Sinkholes', followed by '100 Vaginas' and then a half hour chance for the BBC and ITN to advocate on behalf of a jihadi before a cheery documentary about a chap who got routinely beaten up and scalded with boiling water by his girlfriend before bed.

I stuck to The Looming Tower on Amazon Prime.

[Sir C]

I thought the Martinez was sensational. Utterly ran himself into the ground as well. Proper midfield performance

Yes, they still have quality and a great deal of nous.

Spurs will beat them in the final

[Luis Anaconda]

I'll tell you what, Clive, Bayern may not be a Great Team any more, but they were fúcking impressive last night. Thon Thiago is a simply magnificent footballer.

Indeed - I love Thiago. Strangely unpopular with a lot of Bayern fans though

[SWv2]

He doesn't get in the Bayern side when a 35-year-old arthritic Robben is "fit". He had a good five minutes last night but was wasteful for most of the time he was on the pitch. If Iwobi put in a performance like that (and he does tbf) he would be panned

Did not watch any of the second half and when he did get the ball first half, save for one quick cross into the box, I found myself thinking "for fúcks sake Gnabry".

Pretty much as you have stated above.