Chelsea seem to be ****ing about re: Giroud.

[Pokster]

I'd legally have been British and Irish, I suppose, what with having two passports.

Thank God I drew back from the brink.

So you're not a Dutcher at all...only when talking football and trying to make it sound like you know what you are talking about

[Burney]

It's the old arguement that berni and myself have had in the past about certain England cricket players..... also see Chris Froome and Kyle Edmund

I think there are differences even among those, though. For me, someone like Pietersen was always simply a mercenary operating under a flag of convenience, whereas someone like Matt Prior was an Englishman who'd happened to be born in South Africa.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

I would laugh if Jorge went on Who Do You Think You Are ? and discovered a great thick English lineage going all the way back to the dinosaurs

[IUFG]

I'd legally have been British and Irish, I suppose, what with having two passports.

Thank God I drew back from the brink.

Two passports? Can you go out of the country with one and back in on another? :howwouldiknowhowitworks:

[Burney]

I don't know who those people are and I don't wish to know. I don't ask you to consider how Nigel Lamb was allowed to compete for the UK, do I?

Any relation of Allan Lamb?

[Pokster]

I think there are differences even among those, though. For me, someone like Pietersen was always simply a mercenary operating under a flag of convenience, whereas someone like Matt Prior was an Englishman who'd happened to be born in South Africa.

I'm shocked Froome hasn't had more made of the fact he has never even lived in the country

[Viva Prat Vegas]

I think someone on here established that Sir C is a mongrel

[Pokster]

Any relation of Allan Lamb?

baaaastard love child

[Sir C]

So you're not a Dutcher at all...only when talking football and trying to make it sound like you know what you are talking about

Sodemieter op, klootzack.

[Luis Anaconda]

Sorry, but this results in absurdities like the Jorges of this world deciding they're Irish despite every iota of external evidence suggesting otherwise. Also, Americans claiming to be Irish. :shudder: Geography has to be something to do with it, I'm afraid.

Yes - you're Cliff Richard example was a better explanation (though I might have gone with Colin Cowdrey). But I wouldn't have a problem with, say Chinese-speaking person bought up in a Chinatown in a furrin city claiming to be Chinese. I think just saying you're born somewhere so you are nationality is too simplistic. Americans are ****ing ridiculous though - that's true