Just watched the woman from accross the way take twenty minutes to get her car

[Sir C]

But the infantilisation of the driver has been a process the car industry has encouraged - indeed, striven towards - for decades. This is because most road accidents are the fault of the sack of meat behind the wheel and reducing their input in the process does actually cut the number of RTAs.

Oh, you're absolutely right, and the improvement in the safety, efficiency and comfort of motor vehicles is entirely laudable and nigh on miraculous. I just think it would be better if people learnt to drive on a 1973 Ford Escort Popular, then got to appreciate a modern vehicle, equipped with a much better understanding of the car and with the skills to truly control the vehicle.

Obviously such a thing is never going to happen. Where the fúck would we find a load of 1973 Ford Escorts, for Christ's sake. I'm just saying, like.

[Burney]

Oh, you're absolutely right, and the improvement in the safety, efficiency and comfort of motor vehicles is entirely laudable and nigh on miraculous. I just think it would be better if people learnt to drive on a 1973 Ford Escort Popular, then got to appreciate a modern vehicle, equipped with a much better understanding of the car and with the skills to truly control the vehicle.

Obviously such a thing is never going to happen. Where the fúck would we find a load of 1973 Ford Escorts, for Christ's sake. I'm just saying, like.

I do agree. I'm one of the people who learned in the period you describe and will admit that what I've learned about driving in snow I learned the hard way. That first realisation that rather than the highly responsive machine that goes where you point it you're used to, you're in a large, unwieldy lump of metal whose major motive force is inertia can be a bit of an eye-opener.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

I do agree. I'm one of the people who learned in the period you describe and will admit that what I've learned about driving in snow I learned the hard way. That first realisation that rather than the highly responsive machine that goes where you point it you're used to, you're in a large, unwieldy lump of metal whose major motive force is inertia can be a bit of an eye-opener.

How many 'ikkle kiddies had to perish under your wheels before you finally learned?

[Burney]

How many 'ikkle kiddies had to perish under your wheels before you finally learned?

None. I did glide elegantly into a high kerb at one point, but that was about it. Actually, on the occasion I remember on the M25 (about 6/7 years ago, I think), the greater danger was actually people in RWD cars simply skidding across lanes in front of you.

[Sir C]

None. I did glide elegantly into a high kerb at one point, but that was about it. Actually, on the occasion I remember on the M25 (about 6/7 years ago, I think), the greater danger was actually people in RWD cars simply skidding across lanes in front of you.

You can't have fun in a front wheel drive car, b. It's a known fact. SCIENCE FACT.

[Burney]

You can't have fun in a front wheel drive car, b. It's a known fact. SCIENCE FACT.

What if you're having it orf in the car? Which wheels drive it will make no difference, surely?

Anyway, you need to get over this idea of cars being fun. They're not meant to be fun. Indeed, the logical endpoint of their development is that they do all the work and are no 'fun' whatsoever.

[barrybueno]

Oh, you're absolutely right, and the improvement in the safety, efficiency and comfort of motor vehicles is entirely laudable and nigh on miraculous. I just think it would be better if people learnt to drive on a 1973 Ford Escort Popular, then got to appreciate a modern vehicle, equipped with a much better understanding of the car and with the skills to truly control the vehicle.

Obviously such a thing is never going to happen. Where the fúck would we find a load of 1973 Ford Escorts, for Christ's sake. I'm just saying, like.

These ****ers don't know the joy/skill of pulling out the manual choke and feeding it back in as the engine warms up either. Or having to put a peg on it if it decided to move itself.

btw, if you find a load of 1973 Ford Escorts you'd be filthy rich*


*Richer even than you are now...

[Sir C]

These ****ers don't know the joy/skill of pulling out the manual choke and feeding it back in as the engine warms up either. Or having to put a peg on it if it decided to move itself.

btw, if you find a load of 1973 Ford Escorts you'd be filthy rich*


*Richer even than you are now...

You're not joking, b. I thought I'd buy myself a Mk 2 RS2000 and have it restored for a bit of nostalgia. People are asking £25k for a basket case!