Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
The word is pretty meaningless and contradictory, it has to be said. Many 'liberals' are profoundly socially illiberal, while some conservatives are for social freedom. Market liberalism, social liberalism, neo-liberalism, it's all rather confusing.

Perhaps the only real conservative here is redg imo. Proper old-school family values and all that.

He just likes flinging insults at me, A. There is little more to it than that.