Burney, your analogy between our treatment of animals and prostitution seems flawed

[redgunamo]

That rather depends on whether or not the wife finds out about it, m

Or if acquiring the wife in the first place was actually a consequence of it. The damage to other parts of your life and view of the world can be very "emotional" indeed

[Ash]

The principle is that you are taking something to which as humans we give real emotional weight and value, are stripping it of all emotion and turning it into a commodity for sale to the highest bidder. The level of emotional disconnection that requires and the damage it must do to other parts of your life and view of the world seems to me a high price in and of itself.

Maybe, but should the woman be stigmatised? I can't help feeling that there is some humbug going around from men who feel that they are entitled to promiscuity but women aren't.

The one-night-stand is not supposed to be about 'real emotional weight and value', yet consenting adults may participate.

[Ash]

I think A (and possibly M too) is saying that whoremongering is essentially fine, so long as you don't call it that.

Yeah, more or less.

[Burney]

Maybe, but should the woman be stigmatised? I can't help feeling that there is some humbug going around from men who feel that they are entitled to promiscuity but women aren't.

The one-night-stand is not supposed to be about 'real emotional weight and value', yet consenting adults may participate.

It's not a question of 'should they be stigmatised'. They will be stigmatised regardless because of how society works. And, more to the point, they will feel that stigma whether they want to or not because they are conditioned to do so.

One-night stands freely entered into are - or should be - genuine exchanges of pleasure between equal partners and do involve what one might term 'short-term emotions'. They are not a commercial exchange where one party gets pleasure and the other gets money. The analogy breaks down on that point.

[redgunamo]

Maybe, but should the woman be stigmatised? I can't help feeling that there is some humbug going around from men who feel that they are entitled to promiscuity but women aren't.

The one-night-stand is not supposed to be about 'real emotional weight and value', yet consenting adults may participate.

Surely it would be women doing all the stigmatising?

And it's pointless asking them about it, of course; they're terribly confused about things at the best of times.

[redgunamo]

It's not a question of 'should they be stigmatised'. They will be stigmatised regardless because of how society works. And, more to the point, they will feel that stigma whether they want to or not because they are conditioned to do so.

One-night stands freely entered into are - or should be - genuine exchanges of pleasure between equal partners and do involve what one might term 'short-term emotions'. They are not a commercial exchange where one party gets pleasure and the other gets money. The analogy breaks down on that point.

Take it further then; what if both parties obtain pleasure and also end up better off financially. That must be a fairly common scenario, imo.

[eastgermanautos]

It wasn't an analogy, it was a benchmark of how, as a species, we are disinclined to allow questions of ethics to dominate our need to satiate our natural desires for pleasure. The point is that, after 10,000 years of civilisation, if we have only come that far on the commoditisation of human beings, how much further away do you think a worldwide moratorium on the commoditisation of animals is?

This is, in fact, completely wrong, and I expect you know it. The Ancient Greeks were all about the ethics of food choices. Epicureans much? And of course old Pythagoras, with his religion of farting.

[Peter]

I think it's naive to suggest that whoremongering is ever going to lose its social stigma. In a society that values sexual fidelity in women, whoring will always have a stigma.

As things stand in general society, eating dead animals has zero social stigma - none. Where is the impetus going to come from to change that? Where is this stigma going to come from? Vegetarians and vegans? No-one really cares what they think. They've been banging on about it for years and the world is eating more meat than ever before.

The world is eating more meat because intensive farming and speedy exports are making it cheaper than ever before. This creates two additional concerns that are relatively new- carbon footprint, and the intense cruelty of intensive farming.

We have people suggesting there are 37 genders. Is it really inconceivable that people will start to turn their back on the farming industry, particularly as the alternatives become more freely accessible and whining ****s start to believe they are allergic to dairy?

The number of vegan companies in the UK has almost quadrupled in the last decade……

[Peter]

Take it further then; what if both parties obtain pleasure and also end up better off financially. That must be a fairly common scenario, imo.

How do both benefit financially? Who is footing the bill?

[Monty92]

How do both benefit financially? Who is footing the bill?

Your mum, I expect