Any c*nt that tells me I "would have taken that before the game"

[IUFG]

I like the way the narrative is shifting here. It's gone from 'Emery is great and shows us what could have been if we'd got rid of Wenger earlier', then 'Emery is hamstrung by all the Wenger signings' and now it's 'Yes, Emery is in fact shít, but we're only stuck with him because we couldn't get anyone better because we hung on to Wenger'.

One coud look at things like this...

Emery is serving up the same as what Wenger was latterly serving up (potentially not getting the top 4 and losing a Europa semi-final). So why change?

Past performance predicts future performance. So, under Wenger, we were always going to get more of the same and probably on a slightly downward trajectory, if you extrapolate league positioning.

If we continue to get the same from Emery over the next 2-3 years, I completely agree he should go and we move onto the next one.

I dare say we'll find out what we already know... it's Stan that is the real problem.

[Burney]

One coud look at things like this...

Emery is serving up the same as what Wenger was latterly serving up (potentially not getting the top 4 and losing a Europa semi-final). So why change?

Past performance predicts future performance. So, under Wenger, we were always going to get more of the same and probably on a slightly downward trajectory, if you extrapolate league positioning.

If we continue to get the same from Emery over the next 2-3 years, I completely agree he should go and we move onto the next one.

I dare say we'll find out what we already know... it's Stan that is the real problem.

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons.

[Pokster]

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons.

So give the new manager 4 years and see what he gives us.

[Burney]

So give the new manager 4 years and see what he gives us.

But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?

[Monty92]

But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?

WES keeps telling us that the thing Emery has given us that Wenger no longer could is "hope"

[Pokster]

But I thought you brought in new managers to improve things? If the best he can offer is more of the same/worse, what was the point of getting rid of Wenger?

Because AW was making us gradually worse over the last few seasons, the new manager has every chance of finishing higher, gaining far more points and also the chance of a big shiny cup..... he also has the best record of any Arsenal manager for his first 50 games

[IUFG]

..... he also has the best record of any Arsenal manager for his first 50 games

Well, Wenger would have that record if it wasn't for all the shít players he inherited.

Seaman, Keown, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Platt, Bergkamp, Wright, Merson, Parlour, Kiwomya, etc

I think we can safely say, Emery is picking up from a lower point, players-wise, than AW did.

[IUFG]

Wenger brought us two FA Cups and a second-place finish in his last four seasons.

Oh, yes, he gaves the FA cups. Very nice too. What did we have to win? 7 or 8 games? An achievement nonetheless.

That 2nd place? Every team in the league was fúck awful that season, including Lester and we were gifted second by that marvellous, over-achieing sp*rs team.

[Burney]

Oh, yes, he gaves the FA cups. Very nice too. What did we have to win? 7 or 8 games? An achievement nonetheless.

That 2nd place? Every team in the league was fúck awful that season, including Lester and we were gifted second by that marvellous, over-achieing sp*rs team.

And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless.

My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts.

[WES]

And yet that is what we won and where we finished nonetheless.

My point is that your narrative of inexorable, season-on-season decline under Wenger simply isn't borne out by the facts.

You mean we weren't winning the league during the 90s and early 00s, then challenging for the title in the late 00s, then barely making it into the top 4 followed by a 5th place finish in his second last season and then a 6th place finish in his last season?

Yeah, no sense of decline there.