So the revoke article 50 petition is now at 5.4mil and according to my casual

[PSRB]

Impressive turnout, all the same. Central London hasn't witnessed that many white middle class people on it's streets since around 1974.

Queen's Jubilee had more

[IUFG]

Queen's Jubilee had more

I found a silver jubilee coin in a drawer the other week.

It is only 'worth' a fiver.

It probably cost that in 1977.

[Yesterday Once More]

This weekend really has seemed like the remainers' last stand.

The "eleventy million" estimated as being on the march on Saturday by its official auditor, Diane Abbott - including the five million "all genuine" signatures on the petition - are pretty much giving up all pretentions of being champions of democracy. It's now all about getting Article 50 revoked, to squash Brexit at a stroke.

Not going to happen. Nor are these "indicative votes" going to be taken seriously. The options are now between the PM's deal, if she can somehow threaten, promise and plead with enough people to back it, or leaving on WTO.

[Tony C]

I still don’t get the ‘People’s Referendum’ logic.

What happens if the remainers lose again?

Will they accept they accept the result or do we keep having referendums until they win or will will they escalate their protest to something more violent?

And they keep going an about the ‘slim’ margin of victory last time even thought there were between 2 to 3 million non British people who were alllowed to vote like my ex boss whose a die hard Kiwi and voted to stay (he’s since left his job and moved to the Netherlands). Would like to think a vote of this magnitude would be British only.

[Burney]

I still don’t get the ‘People’s Referendum’ logic.

What happens if the remainers lose again?

Will they accept they accept the result or do we keep having referendums until they win or will will they escalate their protest to something more violent?

And they keep going an about the ‘slim’ margin of victory last time even thought there were between 2 to 3 million non British people who were alllowed to vote like my ex boss whose a die hard Kiwi and voted to stay (he’s since left his job and moved to the Netherlands). Would like to think a vote of this magnitude would be British only.

It's not an idea that stands up to any intelligent scrutiny whatsoever. A vote was had, a conclusion was reached and everyone agreed it would be enacted. Not to enact it or to hold another vote because you didn't like the outcome of the first would simply be a gross and blatant betrayal of the democratic covenant. Everything else is just noise.

They wouldn't allow the possibility of not winning, which is why another vote could only be a stitch-up. They're already saying the only options could be May's deal or Remain (ie Remain vs Remain).

[WES]

It's not an idea that stands up to any intelligent scrutiny whatsoever. A vote was had, a conclusion was reached and everyone agreed it would be enacted. Not to enact it or to hold another vote because you didn't like the outcome of the first would simply be a gross and blatant betrayal of the democratic covenant. Everything else is just noise.

They wouldn't allow the possibility of not winning, which is why another vote could only be a stitch-up. They're already saying the only options could be May's deal or Remain (ie Remain vs Remain).

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

[Burney]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

That makes no sense, I'm afraid. Why would remain still be an option having already been democratically rejected in 2016? The fact that we are where we are is a function of our executive and legislature's collective incompetence. Why should leave voters who expected competence be disenfranchised for that?

[WES]

That makes no sense, I'm afraid. Why would remain still be an option having already been democratically rejected in 2016? The fact that we are where we are is a function of our executive and legislature's collective incompetence. Why should leave voters who expected competence be disenfranchised for that?

That assumes that Leave voters are willing to accept a no deal exit - the premise was that if they aren't and that is the only Leave option available etc etc

Not that it really matters of course because I can't see no deal happening. What I can see happening is parliament taking control of the process - somehow - and accepting a watered down version of Brexit that crosses almost all of May's red lines. It will be amusing to see what the ERG has to say at that point.

This really is very good fun, I don't think I've ever paid as much attention to politics. It's like a play that no one would write because no one would think it believable.

[IUFG]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

Well to turn this around in another referendum, the people being called racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin, who voted to leave, would have to be won over by the people who are calling them racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin.

Not the greatest of strategies imo

[Burney]

Well to turn this around in another referendum, the people being called racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin, who voted to leave, would have to be won over by the people who are calling them racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin.

Not the greatest of strategies imo

Yup. That's why they're looking to stitch up the vote as 'Remain vs Remain'.