So the revoke article 50 petition is now at 5.4mil and according to my casual

[WES]

It's not an idea that stands up to any intelligent scrutiny whatsoever. A vote was had, a conclusion was reached and everyone agreed it would be enacted. Not to enact it or to hold another vote because you didn't like the outcome of the first would simply be a gross and blatant betrayal of the democratic covenant. Everything else is just noise.

They wouldn't allow the possibility of not winning, which is why another vote could only be a stitch-up. They're already saying the only options could be May's deal or Remain (ie Remain vs Remain).

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

[Burney]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

That makes no sense, I'm afraid. Why would remain still be an option having already been democratically rejected in 2016? The fact that we are where we are is a function of our executive and legislature's collective incompetence. Why should leave voters who expected competence be disenfranchised for that?

[WES]

That makes no sense, I'm afraid. Why would remain still be an option having already been democratically rejected in 2016? The fact that we are where we are is a function of our executive and legislature's collective incompetence. Why should leave voters who expected competence be disenfranchised for that?

That assumes that Leave voters are willing to accept a no deal exit - the premise was that if they aren't and that is the only Leave option available etc etc

Not that it really matters of course because I can't see no deal happening. What I can see happening is parliament taking control of the process - somehow - and accepting a watered down version of Brexit that crosses almost all of May's red lines. It will be amusing to see what the ERG has to say at that point.

This really is very good fun, I don't think I've ever paid as much attention to politics. It's like a play that no one would write because no one would think it believable.

[Burney]

That assumes that Leave voters are willing to accept a no deal exit - the premise was that if they aren't and that is the only Leave option available etc etc

Not that it really matters of course because I can't see no deal happening. What I can see happening is parliament taking control of the process - somehow - and accepting a watered down version of Brexit that crosses almost all of May's red lines. It will be amusing to see what the ERG has to say at that point.

This really is very good fun, I don't think I've ever paid as much attention to politics. It's like a play that no one would write because no one would think it believable.

Yes, but that premise is fundamentally unsound.

I think the most depressing thing is that it's all so woefully short-sighted. Everyone is fighting to 'win' the battlefield and is giving absolutely no thought to what that battlefield will look like when the fighting eventually stops - or what they'll do with it. Remainers won't survive the backlash of failing to deliver Brexit, but don't want to acknowledge the fact, while many of those at the other extreme seem happier to be permanent rebels than compromise on anything.
Meanwhile, those who have proudly styled themselves centrists have revealed themselves to be self-serving shysters with no principles other than maintaining a cozy status quo and who would be as home on the left of the tory party as on the right of the Labour party.
The one upside is that it has revealed our current party and electoral system to be wholly unfit for the purpose of coping with the defining political issue of our time. The 'big tent' two-party system cannot survive this.

[IUFG]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

Well to turn this around in another referendum, the people being called racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin, who voted to leave, would have to be won over by the people who are calling them racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin.

Not the greatest of strategies imo

[Burney]

Well to turn this around in another referendum, the people being called racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin, who voted to leave, would have to be won over by the people who are calling them racist, thick, 'gammons' and vermin.

Not the greatest of strategies imo

Yup. That's why they're looking to stitch up the vote as 'Remain vs Remain'.

[Sir C]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I heard on Radio 4 at the weekend that a poll showed that if the choice was between a no deal exit and Remain the public would vote strongly for Remain. If we were to reach that point (I don't think we will) there is an argument to be made that if those are the only two choices the government should go back to the public.

Personally, if those were the two choices I would almost prefer a no deal exit. Mostly because my view is that there is no human being involved in this debacle for whom I have less respect than someone who voted Leave but does not support a no deal exit. I can't imagine a more spineless, cowardly, pathetic excuse for a human being than one who insists on leaving the EU but only if they continue to experience the majority of the benefits of the EU.

C*nt is too mild a word for this sort of vermin.

Can everyone please calm the fúck down? Bellowing cretinous gobshítery may be all the rage, but it doesn't help anyone and it's boring

[WES]

Can everyone please calm the fúck down? Bellowing cretinous gobshítery may be all the rage, but it doesn't help anyone and it's boring

You are aware this is AWIMB, are you Dutchie?

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Can everyone please calm the fúck down? Bellowing cretinous gobshítery may be all the rage, but it doesn't help anyone and it's boring

Except when your mate Berni does it

[Sir C]

Except when your mate Berni does it

Are you actually a girl?