I don't think I'd go so far as to call the Xhaka goal a de gea mistake.

[Sir C]

90 degrees? Really?

Anyway, Sky's post-match coverage was rather odd. It was all about how United had somehow contrived to lose it rather than about us winning it by...y'know...playing better than them.

Well, I haven't used a protractor to measure it accurately, of course, but given that it starts of going to De Gea's left, causing him to step to his left, and ends up in the right hand side of the goal, 90 degrees probably isn't much of an exaggeration.

I've sort of given up watching any of the punditry. It just makes me shout at the tv, which causes minor ripples in the otherwise undisturned lake of serenity which is Sir C Towers.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

Well, I haven't used a protractor to measure it accurately, of course, but given that it starts of going to De Gea's left, causing him to step to his left, and ends up in the right hand side of the goal, 90 degrees probably isn't much of an exaggeration.

I've sort of given up watching any of the punditry. It just makes me shout at the tv, which causes minor ripples in the otherwise undisturned lake of serenity which is Sir C Towers.

As our resident aviation expert what’s your take on this 737-8M business? Seems like there’s something wrong with them, no?

[Sir C]

As our resident aviation expert what’s your take on this 737-8M business? Seems like there’s something wrong with them, no?

Two in a short period of time, both allegedly displaying verticsal speed irregularities shortly after departure... it certainly sounds suspicious, doesn't it? However, these things are rarely, if ever, as simple as they might appear at first glance so I wouldn't yet jump to conclusions.

[Burney]

Two in a short period of time, both allegedly displaying verticsal speed irregularities shortly after departure... it certainly sounds suspicious, doesn't it? However, these things are rarely, if ever, as simple as they might appear at first glance so I wouldn't yet jump to conclusions.

Well they've all been grounded, I believe.

Of course, we're apparently all racist for only paying attention to the dead Britons. Ho-hum.

[Sir C]

Well they've all been grounded, I believe.

Of course, we're apparently all racist for only paying attention to the dead Britons. Ho-hum.

I believe some airlines have gounded their fleets pending further investigation, which seems to me sensible, if only for the peace of mind of passengers. Neither Boeing nor the FAA have done so, suggesting they aren't seeing an obvious issue at present.

[Burney]

I believe some airlines have gounded their fleets pending further investigation, which seems to me sensible, if only for the peace of mind of passengers. Neither Boeing nor the FAA have done so, suggesting they aren't seeing an obvious issue at present.

Aaahhh, I see. I must admit I only read the headline as I was vaguely interested, but not massively arsed.

[Sir C]

Aaahhh, I see. I must admit I only read the headline as I was vaguely interested, but not massively arsed.

If it's true that both aircraft exhibitied the phugoid activity a la AF447, as reported, it would definitely point to a software or pitot issue. That's a pretty big 'if', however, and ignores the mountains of other possible evidence which might reveal the truth.

[Burney]

Well, I haven't used a protractor to measure it accurately, of course, but given that it starts of going to De Gea's left, causing him to step to his left, and ends up in the right hand side of the goal, 90 degrees probably isn't much of an exaggeration.

I've sort of given up watching any of the punditry. It just makes me shout at the tv, which causes minor ripples in the otherwise undisturned lake of serenity which is Sir C Towers.

I don't usually, but thought I'd watch it for the fun of seeing Neville's face.

It really is bizarre that, of all the footballers who have retired in recent years, anyone trying to recruit a pundit would ever think of Jamie Carragher.

I mean how many people turned them down before they arrived at that thick, screeching cùnt?