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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    You support the EU Elite and treat those who oppose it with contempt. You despise democracy as is evident all all your ravings on here. Macron is a creature of the technocratic nobility that is the European ruling class whose side you have taken.

    The demands of the GJ boil down to seeking greater democratic accountability, which is the antithesis of what Macron and the EU stand for.
    Poor old gg is emblematic of a large proportion of the pro-EU lobby. All their political lives, they've considered themselves left of centre, anti-materialist, progressive, anti-establishment, champions of the working classes and anti-authority, only to discover that, when the rubber hits the road, they are in fact profoundly conservative, profoundly bourgeois snobs who would prefer to cling to an undemocratic, supranational protectionist, corporatist bureaucracy than accept a democratic decision made by people they instinctively consider their social and intellectual inferiors.

    I mean, many of us always knew how hypocritical and self-serving the so-called progressive middle-class left has always been, but they really have shown themselves up very badly in the last couple of years.

    So for poor old gg, he sees chaps lobbing bricks at coppers and instinctively thinks he should be on their side. However, the minute 'the people' threaten to change anything about his comfortable existence, he sh1ts his pants and clings to bourgeois authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Poor old gg is emblematic of a large proportion of the pro-EU lobby. All their political lives, they've considered themselves left of centre, anti-materialist, progressive, anti-establishment, champions of the working classes and anti-authority, only to discover that, when the rubber hits the road, they are in fact profoundly conservative, profoundly bourgeois snobs who would prefer to cling to an undemocratic, supranational protectionist, corporatist bureaucracy than accept a democratic decision made by people they instinctively consider their social and intellectual inferiors.

    I mean, many of us always knew how hypocritical and self-serving the so-called progressive middle-class left has always been, but they really have shown themselves up very badly in the last couple of years.

    So for poor old gg, he sees chaps lobbing bricks at coppers and instinctively thinks he should be on their side. However, the minute 'the people' threaten to change anything about his comfortable existence, he sh1ts his pants and clings to bourgeois authority.



    Bit harsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Poor old gg is emblematic of a large proportion of the pro-EU lobby. All their political lives, they've considered themselves left of centre, anti-materialist, progressive, anti-establishment, champions of the working classes and anti-authority, only to discover that, when the rubber hits the road, they are in fact profoundly conservative, profoundly bourgeois snobs who would prefer to cling to an undemocratic, supranational protectionist, corporatist bureaucracy than accept a democratic decision made by people they instinctively consider their social and intellectual inferiors.

    I mean, many of us always knew how hypocritical and self-serving the so-called progressive middle-class left has always been, but they really have shown themselves up very badly in the last couple of years.

    So for poor old gg, he sees chaps lobbing bricks at coppers and instinctively thinks he should be on their side. However, the minute 'the people' threaten to change anything about his comfortable existence, he sh1ts his pants and clings to bourgeois authority.
    1. Actually, for most of my adult life I considered myself an anarchist trying to create a spiritual revolution by putting up banging sound systems and getting people to reach spiritual planes through strong hullucinogens. So while you clearly think I'm insane I'm not your average middle class lefty.

    For me, travelling Europe doing raves and festies for 2-3 decades after uni was a lifestyle.

    So I couldn't care less even if the Brexit scare stories were true. If it was an undemocratic neolib bosses club, or an undemocratic communists dictatorship in waiting, I couldn't care.

    I'm a Londoner raver and a EuroTeknival traveller. Not a Britisher.

    And as long as I can blat around Europe with my European mates getting off my tits, that's a good enough reason to be a 100% Remainer.

    On why I support the Gilet Jaunes - nothing to do with them lobbing rocks at coppers. Unlike many of my punk, traveller mates, I'm a Gandhian pacifist on that score.

    It's because when de Gaulle created the 5e Republic in '58, the rule by decree "ordonnances" were only meant to be used in the rarest of national security emergencies.

    Macron is now using them all the time to rule by decree.

    So the people I was peacefully protesting with were doing so for constitution change - the Melenchonists among them want a 6e Republic based on the UK parlaimentary system.

    I would have thought you'd have supported that, B.

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