So - what will the vote result be tonight?

[Ash]

Agreed. Let's go back to the Georgian-Victorian parliamentary system.

With a limited franchise. The thick, the northerners and Tory sympathisers and other right wingers shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just me and my missus in fact.

But we need a form of PR to break it. {How did you vote in the AV ref btw} Ideally STV with multi-member constituencies.

But Parl won't vote for that. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas. Well, except poor, northern, racist turkeys who don't understand the basics of international trade.

At least they have an understanding of the basics of democratic accountability. And they cannot possibly be as thick as elitist, fake-left cùnts who think they'll be able to implement socialist policies after the next election when their darling neoliberal EU won't even let Italy pass a Keynsian, anti-austerity budget.

See you on the other side of the barricade. I'll be the one in the yellow vest. You'll be the one egging on the coppers with the machine guns.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

At least they have an understanding of the basics of democratic accountability. And they cannot possibly be as thick as elitist, fake-left cùnts who think they'll be able to implement socialist policies after the next election when their darling neoliberal EU won't even let Italy pass a Keynsian, anti-austerity budget.

See you on the other side of the barricade. I'll be the one in the yellow vest. You'll be the one egging on the coppers with the machine guns.

Really, Ash?

I'm in Paris atm.

Was at the Gilet Jaune manif at the Arc de Triomphe on Sat. Tear gassed several times.

Wanna see the 5 min film about the French boxer who beat the CRS up the week before that I made in the 2-3 days before arriving on Tues and going to the protest on Sat?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx42uqb921...0720p.mp4?dl=0

But, yeah, I'm the neo-lib Tory and you're the rebel.

[Ash]

Really, Ash?

I'm in Paris atm.

Was at the Gilet Jaune manif at the Arc de Triomphe on Sat. Tear gassed several times.

Wanna see the 5 min film about the French boxer who beat the CRS up the week before that I made in the 2-3 days before arriving on Tues and going to the protest on Sat?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx42uqb921...0720p.mp4?dl=0

But, yeah, I'm the neo-lib Tory and you're the rebel.

Fair play to you, GG - but Macron epitomises the EU elite, so how can you be supporting both sides?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Fair play to you, GG - but Macron epitomises the EU elite, so how can you be supporting both sides?

I'm not supporting Macron. All my old free rave mates wanted Melenchon.

Unless I've unknowingly did a Trump type "mispeak" and genuinely accidently said do when I meant don't, what has made you think I like Macron?

ffs, all my Frog mates have been moaning about him since before the election.

[Ash]

I'm not supporting Macron. All my old free rave mates wanted Melenchon.

Unless I've unknowingly did a Trump type "mispeak" and genuinely accidently said do when I meant don't, what has made you think I like Macron?

ffs, all my Frog mates have been moaning about him since before the election.

You support the EU Elite and treat those who oppose it with contempt. You despise democracy as is evident all all your ravings on here. Macron is a creature of the technocratic nobility that is the European ruling class whose side you have taken.

The demands of the GJ boil down to seeking greater democratic accountability, which is the antithesis of what Macron and the EU stand for.

[Burney]

You support the EU Elite and treat those who oppose it with contempt. You despise democracy as is evident all all your ravings on here. Macron is a creature of the technocratic nobility that is the European ruling class whose side you have taken.

The demands of the GJ boil down to seeking greater democratic accountability, which is the antithesis of what Macron and the EU stand for.

Poor old gg is emblematic of a large proportion of the pro-EU lobby. All their political lives, they've considered themselves left of centre, anti-materialist, progressive, anti-establishment, champions of the working classes and anti-authority, only to discover that, when the rubber hits the road, they are in fact profoundly conservative, profoundly bourgeois snobs who would prefer to cling to an undemocratic, supranational protectionist, corporatist bureaucracy than accept a democratic decision made by people they instinctively consider their social and intellectual inferiors.

I mean, many of us always knew how hypocritical and self-serving the so-called progressive middle-class left has always been, but they really have shown themselves up very badly in the last couple of years.

So for poor old gg, he sees chaps lobbing bricks at coppers and instinctively thinks he should be on their side. However, the minute 'the people' threaten to change anything about his comfortable existence, he sh1ts his pants and clings to bourgeois authority.

[Peter]

Poor old gg is emblematic of a large proportion of the pro-EU lobby. All their political lives, they've considered themselves left of centre, anti-materialist, progressive, anti-establishment, champions of the working classes and anti-authority, only to discover that, when the rubber hits the road, they are in fact profoundly conservative, profoundly bourgeois snobs who would prefer to cling to an undemocratic, supranational protectionist, corporatist bureaucracy than accept a democratic decision made by people they instinctively consider their social and intellectual inferiors.

I mean, many of us always knew how hypocritical and self-serving the so-called progressive middle-class left has always been, but they really have shown themselves up very badly in the last couple of years.

So for poor old gg, he sees chaps lobbing bricks at coppers and instinctively thinks he should be on their side. However, the minute 'the people' threaten to change anything about his comfortable existence, he sh1ts his pants and clings to bourgeois authority.

Bit harsh

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Poor old gg is emblematic of a large proportion of the pro-EU lobby. All their political lives, they've considered themselves left of centre, anti-materialist, progressive, anti-establishment, champions of the working classes and anti-authority, only to discover that, when the rubber hits the road, they are in fact profoundly conservative, profoundly bourgeois snobs who would prefer to cling to an undemocratic, supranational protectionist, corporatist bureaucracy than accept a democratic decision made by people they instinctively consider their social and intellectual inferiors.

I mean, many of us always knew how hypocritical and self-serving the so-called progressive middle-class left has always been, but they really have shown themselves up very badly in the last couple of years.

So for poor old gg, he sees chaps lobbing bricks at coppers and instinctively thinks he should be on their side. However, the minute 'the people' threaten to change anything about his comfortable existence, he sh1ts his pants and clings to bourgeois authority.

1. Actually, for most of my adult life I considered myself an anarchist trying to create a spiritual revolution by putting up banging sound systems and getting people to reach spiritual planes through strong hullucinogens. So while you clearly think I'm insane I'm not your average middle class lefty.

For me, travelling Europe doing raves and festies for 2-3 decades after uni was a lifestyle.

So I couldn't care less even if the Brexit scare stories were true. If it was an undemocratic neolib bosses club, or an undemocratic communists dictatorship in waiting, I couldn't care.

I'm a Londoner raver and a EuroTeknival traveller. Not a Britisher.

And as long as I can blat around Europe with my European mates getting off my tits, that's a good enough reason to be a 100% Remainer.

On why I support the Gilet Jaunes - nothing to do with them lobbing rocks at coppers. Unlike many of my punk, traveller mates, I'm a Gandhian pacifist on that score.

It's because when de Gaulle created the 5e Republic in '58, the rule by decree "ordonnances" were only meant to be used in the rarest of national security emergencies.

Macron is now using them all the time to rule by decree.

So the people I was peacefully protesting with were doing so for constitution change - the Melenchonists among them want a 6e Republic based on the UK parlaimentary system.

I would have thought you'd have supported that, B.