The Donald absolutely ripping into the krauts, here.

[Sir C]

Pffft. He's saying that for the jackals at home. Russia is not attacking NATO and has no intention of doing so. NATO is encircling Russia though.

Encircling Russia?

Can you think of a single reason why the former countires of the Warsaw Pact and the Baltic States might be nervous enough of the cuddly Russian bear to wish to join a strong military alliance? Just one reason?

I'll give you a clue. 45 years of brutal Russian occupation. Howzat?

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Encircling Russia?

Can you think of a single reason why the former countires of the Warsaw Pact and the Baltic States might be nervous enough of the cuddly Russian bear to wish to join a strong military alliance? Just one reason?

I'll give you a clue. 45 years of brutal Russian occupation. Howzat?

True.

And if you look at the world from above, you understand why fear of encirclement has been engrained in the Russian psyche since the Tsars.

[Burney]

True.

And if you look at the world from above, you understand why fear of encirclement has been engrained in the Russian psyche since the Tsars.

Yes, but the problem is that Russia's response to that threat has tended to be aggression rather than effective long-term alliances.

[Peter]

Yes, but the problem is that Russia's response to that threat has tended to be aggression rather than effective long-term alliances.

THey tried effective long term alliances but the likes of you said it was brutal communist occupation.

The poor old Russians just cant win.

[Sir C]

THey tried effective long term alliances but the likes of you said it was brutal communist occupation.

The poor old Russians just cant win.

It's not funny. You normalise acceptance of communist propaganda.

You're dangerous people. Apologists for torture and oppression. It's not cool at all.

[Peter]

It's not funny. You normalise acceptance of communist propaganda.

You're dangerous people. Apologists for torture and oppression. It's not cool at all.

Everyone apologise for torture and oppression under the right circumstances. Consider the immediate post war period from Russia's point of view. The war was no picnic for them.....

**** the Germans and **** leaving a bloody great big gap of **** all between you and them.

Admittedly, you would think they might cool off over the next 20-30 years but then the Cold War was in full swing until Rocky IV came along and solved it.

You people will never understand Russia.

[Sir C]

Everyone apologise for torture and oppression under the right circumstances. Consider the immediate post war period from Russia's point of view. The war was no picnic for them.....

**** the Germans and **** leaving a bloody great big gap of **** all between you and them.

Admittedly, you would think they might cool off over the next 20-30 years but then the Cold War was in full swing until Rocky IV came along and solved it.

You people will never understand Russia.

You think that the events behind the iron curtain between 1945 and 1989 were in some way understandable because... Germany?

Madness.

[Burney]

Everyone apologise for torture and oppression under the right circumstances. Consider the immediate post war period from Russia's point of view. The war was no picnic for them.....

**** the Germans and **** leaving a bloody great big gap of **** all between you and them.

Admittedly, you would think they might cool off over the next 20-30 years but then the Cold War was in full swing until Rocky IV came along and solved it.

You people will never understand Russia.

Well clearly you only understand Russia as far back as 1918 and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Prior to that (including in 1914), the traffic was very much more frequently from East to West than vice versa. Russia is the historical aggressor in Eastern Europe.

[WES]

THey tried effective long term alliances but the likes of you said it was brutal communist occupation.

The poor old Russians just cant win.

Which part of 'alliances' involves sending in tanks when the people you are allied to take a decision you don't like?

[Peter]

Which part of 'alliances' involves sending in tanks when the people you are allied to take a decision you don't like?

THat would come under 'effective'......

Tanks are frequently very effective.