Andrew Neil and Squeaking Little Shít Owen Jones should settle this like men.

[Burney]

Hiring the most famous holocaust denier in Britain to research a piece on Nazi material for an established national newspaper is a 'judgement call'?? You are damn right it is, and a pretty ****ing awful one.

Its absurd to suggest that this isnt relevant when you start throwing the stones of anti semitism at other people.

When Corbyn has a beer with someone from the IRA he is a terrorist. When Neil works with holocaust deniers he is simply a brilliant editor.

Bull****.

Of course this is smearing an opponent but that does NOT mean he doesnt have a point. and the smearing is not ofNeil as such but the BBC and wider media in general. Which is a bit ****ty....

Utter fúcking bóllocks.

The Labour Party contains, endorses, promotes and nurtures anti-semites from top to bottom. It’s riddled with them and the rot starts at the head.

That simply isn’t comparable to Neil hiring a qualified person with whom he explicitly disagreed and whose views he condemned AT THE TIME to do a certain job. You can argue he was wrong to do that, but you absolutely cannot say it disqualifies him on any level from highlighting and attacking anti-semitism now.

Anyway, the suggestion that the BBC is in any way right leaning is fûcking delusional and anyone spouting such drivel deserves contempt and ridicule.

[Peter]

Utter fúcking bóllocks.

The Labour Party contains, endorses, promotes and nurtures anti-semites from top to bottom. It’s riddled with them and the rot starts at the head.

That simply isn’t comparable to Neil hiring a qualified person with whom he explicitly disagreed and whose views he condemned AT THE TIME to do a certain job. You can argue he was wrong to do that, but you absolutely cannot say it disqualifies him on any level from highlighting and attacking anti-semitism now.

Anyway, the suggestion that the BBC is in any way right leaning is fûcking delusional and anyone spouting such drivel deserves contempt and ridicule.

Its funny how you are soooooo ****ing furious over anti-semitism but happy to parade your hatred of Muslims. Not that I would ever accuse you of simply wanting to smear an opponent or anything.

I have no problem with Neil whatsoever. I haven't problem with him working for the BBC. He's engaging and very watchable. However- using Irving was a dreadful judgement.. There were plenty of historians better qualified to do that work ( I know of at least three personally) and on whose judgement you could more safely rest.

And I am sorry, but you are either judged by the company you keep or you aren't. If Corbyn's friends taint him then Neil is linked to Irving and shall be forever more.

Your description of anti-semitism in the Labour Party is so off the charts crazy I cant even decide how to respond. This will need some thought.

[Sir C]

Its funny how you are soooooo ****ing furious over anti-semitism but happy to parade your hatred of Muslims. Not that I would ever accuse you of simply wanting to smear an opponent or anything.

I have no problem with Neil whatsoever. I haven't problem with him working for the BBC. He's engaging and very watchable. However- using Irving was a dreadful judgement.. There were plenty of historians better qualified to do that work ( I know of at least three personally) and on whose judgement you could more safely rest.

And I am sorry, but you are either judged by the company you keep or you aren't. If Corbyn's friends taint him then Neil is linked to Irving and shall be forever more.

Your description of anti-semitism in the Labour Party is so off the charts crazy I cant even decide how to respond. This will need some thought.

In short, the Labour party isn't a seething hotbed of jew-hating, but even if it is, whatabout your Islamophobia and whatabout David Irving and whatabout that squirrel!

[Peter]

In short, the Labour party isn't a seething hotbed of jew-hating, but even if it is, whatabout your Islamophobia and whatabout David Irving and whatabout that squirrel!

I suppose I am trying to suggest that I see it all as the same thing. Hating Israel means being pro-Palestine, which means being pro-arab, which means pro-Muslim, which means anti-semite. Loving Israel means being anti-Palestine, anti Arab, anti muslim and loving jews.

We are being asked to pick sides on something that most of dont care about and dont fully understand. It is total horse**** from start to finish but it seems to me that if one is appalled by one prejudice one should be appalled by the other. Unless one would rather choose sides, of course.

Having been closely involved with theLabour Party all my life, and having never witnessed so much as an anti-semitic joke, it is difficult to accept the current view of my party. Largely because I know it is *******s.

[Burney]

I suppose I am trying to suggest that I see it all as the same thing. Hating Israel means being pro-Palestine, which means being pro-arab, which means pro-Muslim, which means anti-semite. Loving Israel means being anti-Palestine, anti Arab, anti muslim and loving jews.

We are being asked to pick sides on something that most of dont care about and dont fully understand. It is total horse**** from start to finish but it seems to me that if one is appalled by one prejudice one should be appalled by the other. Unless one would rather choose sides, of course.

Having been closely involved with theLabour Party all my life, and having never witnessed so much as an anti-semitic joke, it is difficult to accept the current view of my party. Largely because I know it is *******s.

As someone pointed out last week, there are many, many worse countries in the world than Israel with vastly worse records of oppression and subjugation. And yet the left is obsessed with Israel rather than any of these others. Israel...the only Jewish state in the world.

It's legitimate to wonder why that might be and to wonder why it should be that, of all the peoples in the world with a grievance, the Palestinians should have found such fertile ground for their cause in the western left. The conclusion isn't hard to draw.

[Peter]

As someone pointed out last week, there are many, many worse countries in the world than Israel with vastly worse records of oppression and subjugation. And yet the left is obsessed with Israel rather than any of these others. Israel...the only Jewish state in the world.

It's legitimate to wonder why that might be and to wonder why it should be that, of all the peoples in the world with a grievance, the Palestinians should have found such fertile ground for their cause in the western left. The conclusion isn't hard to draw.

Traditionally, the left hated Israel because of american involvement, particularly in funding their military. THis was a legitimate prejudice as,lets face it, lefties hate the yanks and, in the post war years, for good and well established reasons.

It seems to have changed but I agree with you- I dont really see why a british labour movement should be so pre-occupied with an issue that doesnt concern 99% of british people and is not even a particularly significant part of british foreign policy.

[Burney]

Traditionally, the left hated Israel because of american involvement, particularly in funding their military. THis was a legitimate prejudice as,lets face it, lefties hate the yanks and, in the post war years, for good and well established reasons.

It seems to have changed but I agree with you- I dont really see why a british labour movement should be so pre-occupied with an issue that doesnt concern 99% of british people and is not even a particularly significant part of british foreign policy.

Of course you won't hear an anti-semitic joke - it isn't that kind of anti-semitism. The left also has a long history of associating Jews with capitalism. Turn up a stone on twitter and you'll find a Corbynista spouting Rothschild conspiracy sh1t. This isn't a new phenomenon. Orwell was pointing it out in the 30s. However, the need to pander to large Islamic communities in certain constituencies has undoubtedly made Labour more tolerant of it of late and given cover to the latent anti-semitism of longer-standing leftists.

[Sir C]

As someone pointed out last week, there are many, many worse countries in the world than Israel with vastly worse records of oppression and subjugation. And yet the left is obsessed with Israel rather than any of these others. Israel...the only Jewish state in the world.

It's legitimate to wonder why that might be and to wonder why it should be that, of all the peoples in the world with a grievance, the Palestinians should have found such fertile ground for their cause in the western left. The conclusion isn't hard to draw.

I think you'll find, old chap, that those hook-nosed money-grasping bankers have conspired with Amerika to downpress the poor workers for years now. Why even Our Karl Marx and Our Adolf Hitler knew it!

The Left's anti-semitism: where cultural bigotry meets whackjob conspiracy theory.

[Burney]

Its funny how you are soooooo ****ing furious over anti-semitism but happy to parade your hatred of Muslims. Not that I would ever accuse you of simply wanting to smear an opponent or anything.

I have no problem with Neil whatsoever. I haven't problem with him working for the BBC. He's engaging and very watchable. However- using Irving was a dreadful judgement.. There were plenty of historians better qualified to do that work ( I know of at least three personally) and on whose judgement you could more safely rest.

And I am sorry, but you are either judged by the company you keep or you aren't. If Corbyn's friends taint him then Neil is linked to Irving and shall be forever more.

Your description of anti-semitism in the Labour Party is so off the charts crazy I cant even decide how to respond. This will need some thought.

I don't hate muslims. I absolutely despise their religion and regard it as utterly incompatible with a civilised country, but I don't hate them as individuals.

As for the rest of it, Corbyn seeks out anti-semites and terrorists as 'friends'. Neil once hired one in a business arrangement. Many Jews believe Corbyn to be an anti-semite. None believe Neil to be one.

[Peter]

I don't hate muslims. I absolutely despise their religion and regard it as utterly incompatible with a civilised country, but I don't hate them as individuals.

As for the rest of it, Corbyn seeks out anti-semites and terrorists as 'friends'. Neil once hired one in a business arrangement. Many Jews believe Corbyn to be an anti-semite. None believe Neil to be one.

I am sure Corbyn doesnt hate all jews as individuals. So that is fine, I suppose.

And can we not consider anti-semitism and holocaust denial to be the same thing. They are not.....