Ladies and gentlemen. If you were looking for a way to fight back

[Peter]

Professor means he has a chair. It's a rare professor who only calls himself Doctor.

Only in the UK. And these days all it really means here is that you dont do any teachings. There is no actual chair.

[Peter]

Well since you clearly know best, you ought to advise Dr Jordan Peterson that he is doing it wrong EXCEPT HE'S GOT A BRAIN THE SIZE OF A FÚCKING PLANET AND PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT THAN AN IRISH SCRIBBLER FOR FÚCK'S SAKE.

"Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto."

Wooaaahh! Hang on. Cultural critic?? His qualifications are as a psychologist ie a ****. Keep the cultural criticism for your amazon reviews you ****.

[Burney]

Professor in the USA simply means employed. In the UK it actually means something- it requires a research profile, a series of publications, a demonstrable body of knowledge, insight and expertise.

Yes. And a chair.

Is it a special chair, do you know? Not like Professor Stephen Hawking's special chair, but all fancy and gold like a throne?

Whenever I hear someone is the holds the Cyril Regis Chair of Chemistry or whatever, I like to imagine a right fancy sort of a chair.

[Ash]

There is no such thing as class any more; you're 40 years out of date. We've had a grocer's daugfhter as prime minister and northern factory workers own houses, cars and smartphones.

The Conservative government of 1979 to the mid 1980s liberated us all from the confines of class.

No, your ideas of class are out of date.

Class isn't about wearing a flat cap, working in a factory and speaking in a regional accent. Class, in pure Marxist terms, is where you stand in relation to the ownership of the means of production, and most people own fùck all of it, and have no power in society. Class isn't out-of-date, but the old stereotyped ideas of what it is are out of date.

If I thought anyone actually READ my posts, rather than triggering off some keyword and then talking about something entirely tangential while ignoring my points, I would elaborate.

Ain't worf it, though. :sulk:

[Sir C]

Professor in the USA simply means employed. In the UK it actually means something- it requires a research profile, a series of publications, a demonstrable body of knowledge, insight and expertise.

Every **** with a piece of chalk is a Professor in the US.

In short, that bloke knows **** all. I bet he got sacked from a university for nobbing the undergrads.

He knows everything, p. He's a genius. You should hear some of the words he uses!

[Peter]

This is why the left had to shift its tactics to the non-political sphere. Mrs T turned socialism into a dirty word and made ideas like class struggle seem woefully old-fashioned. You can't claim to be acting on behalf of a social group who repeatedly express their unwillingness for you to do so democratically, so the left moved onto minorities instead.

Apart from the fact that were hardly any northern factory workers left by the time she had finished, she did not destroy class, merely the mechanism through which it expressed itself ie the unions.

She destroyed a centrist consensus and thus unleashed socialism onto british politics.

[Viva Prat Vegas]

"You should hear some of the words he uses!"

Long ones are they ?
Multiple syllables ?

[Pat Vegas]

Did Marx spend a great deal of time on non-gender specific pronouns?

I mean, I have read most of it and dont recall much mention of these issues.

I had a look at the big book in my house but none of it made a lot of sense.

Mainly as the Italian version.

[Sir C]

No, your ideas of class are out of date.

Class isn't about wearing a flat cap, working in a factory and speaking in a regional accent. Class, in pure Marxist terms, is where you stand in relation to the ownership of the means of production, and most people own fùck all of it, and have no power in society. Class isn't out-of-date, but the old stereotyped ideas of what it is are out of date.

If I thought anyone actually READ my posts, rather than triggering off some keyword and then talking about something entirely tangential while ignoring my points, I would elaborate.

Ain't worf it, though. :sulk:

Anyone working for someone else who is frstrated that they don't own these 'means of production' is at liberty to go and work for themselves, aren't they? A self-employed window cleaner owns his means of production, doesn't he?

[Burney]

No, your ideas of class are out of date.

Class isn't about wearing a flat cap, working in a factory and speaking in a regional accent. Class, in pure Marxist terms, is where you stand in relation to the ownership of the means of production, and most people own fùck all of it, and have no power in society. Class isn't out-of-date, but the old stereotyped ideas of what it is are out of date.

If I thought anyone actually READ my posts, rather than triggering off some keyword and then talking about something entirely tangential while ignoring my points, I would elaborate.

Ain't worf it, though. :sulk:

The concept of class is only meaningful if people feel its gradations applies to them, though. People don't feel like that anymore. Tell a family with a four-bedroom house, two new cars, foreign holidays and nice, white-collar jobs which provide a comfortable standard of living that they are in fact the new proletariat because they don't own the means of production and they will - not unreasonably - tell you to fück off.

In short, the concept of 'class' as understood by Marx is hopelessly out of date.