There are lot of people this morning saying that one of Jamie Bulger's killers being

[Burney]

Society's response to needless loss of life should always be draconian. I see hundreds of people yapping into their mobiles while driving, even when negotiating roundabouts for God's sake. When they career into pedestrians and kill them then they should be treated harshly if only to signal to others that this behaviour will not be tolerated.

But the fact that you see hundreds of people doing it is proof that it is tolerated. It is tolerated, but when someone does it with dire consequences, condign punishments ensue. However, it's clear that those condign punishments aren't stopping people doing it.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

But the fact that you see hundreds of people doing it is proof that it is tolerated. It is tolerated, but when someone does it with dire consequences, condign punishments ensue. However, it's clear that those condign punishments aren't stopping people doing it.

Well it would be astonishing if one custodial sentence caused all illegal mobile use to cease immediately but, as with drinking and driving, the message will seep into the collective conscious and the behaviour will become unacceptable. Something you would be ashamed to tell your friends and family you had been caught doing.

[Burney]

Well it would be astonishing if one custodial sentence caused all illegal mobile use to cease immediately but, as with drinking and driving, the message will seep into the collective conscious and the behaviour will become unacceptable. Something you would be ashamed to tell your friends and family you had been caught doing.

More difficult. The drink driving thing played on deep-seated puritanical notions of shame about drinking and intoxication in this country. Even now, there are very different moral attitudes to drink-driving depending on where you go. It's harder to induce similar levels of shame about mobile phone use.

[Peter]

More difficult. The drink driving thing played on deep-seated puritanical notions of shame about drinking and intoxication in this country. Even now, there are very different moral attitudes to drink-driving depending on where you go. It's harder to induce similar levels of shame about mobile phone use.

I went on a speed awareness course (twice) and the guy attempted to draw a moral parallel with stealing (I would argue you are stealing somebody's safety) and then drink driving (you wouldn't endanger someone by drink driving, why do it through excessive speed).

It was the only point where it threatened to get interesting.

Three hours and they didnt even offer us any speed