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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Hmmm. I think it is a bit about sex.
    Its in there somewhere...

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Its in there somewhere...
    I think the whole 'rape isn't about sex' thing is a comforting lie we all tell ourselves so that we can distance the thing that we do with our wives and girlfriends (may they never meet) from what the rapist does. However, that ignores the fact that the rapist is just as motivated by lust and desire for sexual gratification (however that may be engendered) as we are when we 'make love'.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I think the whole 'rape isn't about sex' thing is a comforting lie we all tell ourselves so that we can distance the thing that we do with our wives and girlfriends (may they never meet) from what the rapist does. However, that ignores the fact that the rapist is just as motivated by lust and desire for sexual gratification (however that may be engendered) as we are when we 'make love'.
    Well it becomes hugely confused when the rape in question is part of a what the chap may believe, rightly or wrongly, is consensual sex. I think it relates more closely to your old school rapist, the predator who actually attacks a woman.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Well it becomes hugely confused when the rape in question is part of a what the chap may believe, rightly or wrongly, is consensual sex. I think it relates more closely to your old school rapist, the predator who actually attacks a woman.
    Sure, but there's still lust and desire for sexual gratification there as well. It may come from a very wrong place, but it's the same set of chemicals.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Sure, but there's still lust and desire for sexual gratification there as well. It may come from a very wrong place, but it's the same set of chemicals.
    Experts (and I assume this refers to criminologists and therapists) view it as a means for establishing control. THat in the mind of the rapist sex is inherently about the desire to dominate women, even punish them.

    May explain why someone like Weinstein chooses to do all this stuff to women instead of paying for it, which he could easily do. Paying for it is a form of control but one where the woman is willing to accept it. Paying for it also implies that one has to and therefore creates a limit to one's power over women. Coercion reflects his position of power and his ability to control women.

    Pure speculation of course. Maybe he is just a sick ******* who enjoys making women do things they dont want to.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Experts (and I assume this refers to criminologists and therapists) view it as a means for establishing control. THat in the mind of the rapist sex is inherently about the desire to dominate women, even punish them.

    May explain why someone like Weinstein chooses to do all this stuff to women instead of paying for it, which he could easily do. Paying for it is a form of control but one where the woman is willing to accept it. Paying for it also implies that one has to and therefore creates a limit to one's power over women. Coercion reflects his position of power and his ability to control women.

    Pure speculation of course. Maybe he is just a sick ******* who enjoys making women do things they dont want to.
    I'm not denying that the exertion of power and control may be the turn on for someone like Weinstein, but there's a reason he wasn't trying it on with ugly birds and that's because his sexual impulses in terms of attraction and desire were just the same as ours.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I'm not denying that the exertion of power and control may be the turn on for someone like Weinstein, but there's a reason he wasn't trying it on with ugly birds and that's because his sexual impulses in terms of attraction and desire were just the same as ours.
    Errr..... have you seen some of the victims? They are not all budding models and are nothing compared to what he could have paid for.

    I tend to think of it in the same way that blokes, particularly when young, will always look for some pathetic excuse for starting a fight by accusing the target of having spilt their pint/looked at their woman etc......the idea being to make the victim complicit and superficially absolve the aggressor by giving them some form of justification.

    I think in Weinstein's mind if the woman submits to coercion then she must effectively 'want it'. THerefore he has pulled rather than paid and his pride is restored.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Experts (and I assume this refers to criminologists and therapists) view it as a means for establishing control. THat in the mind of the rapist sex is inherently about the desire to dominate women, even punish them.

    May explain why someone like Weinstein chooses to do all this stuff to women instead of paying for it, which he could easily do. Paying for it is a form of control but one where the woman is willing to accept it. Paying for it also implies that one has to and therefore creates a limit to one's power over women. Coercion reflects his position of power and his ability to control women.

    Pure speculation of course. Maybe he is just a sick ******* who enjoys making women do things they dont want to.
    I presume these criminologists and therapists of yours are currently looking for work?
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    I presume these criminologists and therapists of yours are currently looking for work?
    I dont know them. I am just saying, you seem them on the telly and stuff, always going on about it.

    Experts etc....

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