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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by The Insider View Post
    Have you ever tried telling someone under 30 that Obama was not only a bad president, but one of the worst ever. They simply don't get the concept that he was anything but a knight in shining armour. There is more than a touch of Oh Jeremy Corbyn..... about the whole thing. Which, incidently and ironically (in its proper sense) always reminds me of the Nuremberg rallies.
    One of the worst ever?

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    One of the worst ever?
    Sure. Arguably. After all, his legacy can be summed up in just four words: President Donald John Trump

    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I do find it quite extraordinary that the bien-pensant types all agree that Trump's election speaks of a horribly divided USA in which disunity, mutual resentment, racial division and political polarisation are at a particular high, etc, etc, but no-one ever follows through and suggests that maybe some of the blame can be laid at the feet of the guy who was running the place for the 8 years.

    So you agree the place is a mess, but the bloke who was in charge while it became a mess gets a free pass? It's bizarre.
    I think his victory speaks of an economic division, particularly geographically, that has grown hugely in the last decade, for obvious reasons. He exploited this by discussing the types of solutions the political mainstream wouldn't touch because it involves tariffs, bashing climate change etc etc...... those issues helped him hugely and were a significant part of the victory.

    The populist stuff (Mexicans, the wall etc) is politically divisive but I doubt it involved anybody actually changing their mind. He gave a voice to the 'silent majority' and the rest reacted the way they always do, with unabashed fury.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    I think his victory speaks of an economic division, particularly geographically, that has grown hugely in the last decade, for obvious reasons. He exploited this by discussing the types of solutions the political mainstream wouldn't touch because it involves tariffs, bashing climate change etc etc...... those issues helped him hugely and were a significant part of the victory.

    The populist stuff (Mexicans, the wall etc) is politically divisive but I doubt it involved anybody actually changing their mind. He gave a voice to the 'silent majority' and the rest reacted the way they always do, with unabashed fury.
    There you are then. It's telling, isn't it, that "solutions the political mainstream wouldn't touch" seem to be obvious common sense to everybody else.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    There you are then. It's telling, isn't it, that "solutions the political mainstream wouldn't touch" seem to be obvious common sense to everybody else.
    Yes. In the heat of a 'common sense' election campaign they are great ideas. In the real world they are more complicated which is why he hasn't actually done any of them. He made promises he couldn't keep but at least he was too ignorant to know he couldn't keep them. Its an honesty of sorts.

    THe others know they

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Yes. In the heat of a 'common sense' election campaign they are great ideas. In the real world they are more complicated which is why he hasn't actually done any of them. He made promises he couldn't keep but at least he was too ignorant to know he couldn't keep them. Its an honesty of sorts.

    THe others know they
    Only political promises though; nobody cares about those. Except people who are interested in politics, I suppose. No, Trump won because he was prepared to demonstrate that America is a country worth standing up for, rather than constantly apologising for.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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    “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime...their rapists”

    His wording was brilliant as it appealed to both his racist supporters and those who were able to convince themselves he meant “their “ and wouldn’t have to feel dirty about voting for him.



    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Its similar to our own issue with immigration. One can be opposed to immigration without being racist but if one is racist one is bound to oppose immigration. Politics tends to lump people together with the other people voting the same way.

    I dont think Trump ran a racist campaign but he ran one that deliberately targeted the premise of political correctness and challenged it. At times, this involved perpetuating racial stereotypes in the more subtle forms and then refusing to apologise for it. Millions of people loved him for that. His sentence on Mexicans was almost genius- he didnt they say they were rapists but he phrased the sentence to make it sound as though he was saying it.

    His real genius was in making the White House sound far more important than it actually is, endowing it with the power to change anything it wanted. Powerful President= powerful USA.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post


    “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime...their rapists”

    His wording was brilliant as it appealed to both his racist supporters and those who were able to convince themselves he meant “their “ and wouldn’t have to feel dirty about voting for him.
    Plus, of course, what he said was to a large extent true.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Plus, of course, what he said was to a large extent true.
    P's point, I think, is that despite that, you would never catch anyone in the "political mainstream" saying it

    It occurred to me the other day that, with people demanding various past political donations be returned, for one reason or another, that, in that case, the Donald himself must be owed a few quid from many who are now defaming him.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    P's point, I think, is that despite that, you would never catch anyone in the "political mainstream" saying it

    It occurred to me the other day that, with people demanding various past political donations be returned, for one reason or another, that, in that case, the Donald himself must be owed a few quid from many who are now defaming him.
    Yes, I think it's too easy for us all to forget that the Donald is the real victim here.

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