Not really sure why everyone's acting all shocked about the AfD gains in Germany.

[Peter]

Not really an irony so much as an entirely predictable case of cause and effect. Newton's Third Law and all that.

Irony in that their attempt to escape from their past has actually recreated it. The problem with wanting to appear to be an open and tolerant country is that most people are not tolerant and dont want their country to be open.

[Monty92]

Irony in that their attempt to escape from their past has actually recreated it. The problem with wanting to appear to be an open and tolerant country is that most people are not tolerant and dont want their country to be open.

This is a strange thing to say. The people of Europe have been - and remain in large part - incredibly tolerant of the mass migration that has been imposed on them against their wishes. They may have objected to it, but they have accepted it with incredibly good grace, which stems from an acknowledgement that the overwhelming people who come here were dealt a shít hand in life and are simply seeking a better one.

[Burney]

This is a strange thing to say. The people of Europe have been - and remain in large part - incredibly tolerant of the mass migration that has been imposed on them against their express wishes. They may have objected to it, but they have accepted it with incredibly good grace, which stems from an acknowledgement that the overwhelming people who come here were dealt a shít hand in life and are simply seeking a better one.

True, actually. The European people certainly can't be faulted on their toleration of mass migration. But there's a big difference between toleration of something and support for it.

[Monty92]

True, actually. The European people certainly can't be faulted on their toleration of mass migration. But there's a big difference between toleration of something and support for it.

If only they were less tolerant, things might meaningfully change...

Actually, what I'm waiting for is for a family affected by a European terrorist attack to contain someone who is engaged with this issue and uses it as a platform to speak out. This could be a game-changer as no-one would accuse someone who has lost a loved one at the hands of an Allan of being a racist bigot.

It could be like when Sarah Payne's mum became a respected voice on how to deal with *****philes, just because her daughter got nonced off and killed.

[Burney]

If only they were less tolerant, things might meaningfully change...

Actually, what I'm waiting for is for a family affected by a European terrorist attack to contain someone who is engaged with this issue and uses it as a platform to speak out. This could be a game-changer as no-one would accuse someone who has lost a loved one at the hands of an Allan of being a racist bigot.

It could be like when Sarah Payne's mum became a respected voice on how to deal with *****philes, just because her daughter got nonced off and killed.

Unfortunately, the media will always go towards the bereaved person who bleats on well-meaningly about forgiveness and tolerance. They are seen as saintly, while the sort of person you describe would first be seen a vengeful and vindictive and would eventually be smeared by association with some right-wing group or other and thus discredited. It's how it works.

[Luis Anaconda]

Unfortunately, the media will always go towards the bereaved person who bleats on well-meaningly about forgiveness and tolerance. They are seen as saintly, while the sort of person you describe would first be seen a vengeful and vindictive and would eventually be smeared by association with some right-wing group or other and thus discredited. It's how it works.

Almost as if forgiveness and tolerance were an intrinsic part of a Christian society

[Burney]

Almost as if forgiveness and tolerance were an intrinsic part of a Christian society

Sure, but such examples of forgiveness attract attention because they are the exception rather than the rule. Most normal people who have a loved one murdered by someone in the name of a certain ideology are unlikely to be terribly tolerant of that ideology from that moment forward.

[Monty92]

Unfortunately, the media will always go towards the bereaved person who bleats on well-meaningly about forgiveness and tolerance. They are seen as saintly, while the sort of person you describe would first be seen a vengeful and vindictive and would eventually be smeared by association with some right-wing group or other and thus discredited. It's how it works.

True. We saw this with one of the members of the Death Metal band that was performing at the Bataclan during the attack. The media were all over him - until they realised he was politically and socially conservative and he ended up getting banned from the reopening of the venue

[Ash]

True. We saw this with one of the members of the Death Metal band that was performing at the Bataclan during the attack. The media were all over him - until they realised he was politically and socially conservative and he ended up getting banned from the reopening of the venue

I believe thon Millwall chappie who saved lives at the London Bridge attacks may have been downgraded from hero to racist thug.

[Peter]

True, actually. The European people certainly can't be faulted on their toleration of mass migration. But there's a big difference between toleration of something and support for it.

Happy to rephrase if it helps. The majority of people do not want mass immigration and would be happier, lets be honest, if there was hardly any immigration at all.