Peter, I know your interest in pursuing this conversation any further is limited,

[Ash]

Self-negation. They hate themselves and - by extension - the society whence they sprang. At a truly fundamental and almost unthinking level they believe western civilisation to be inherently and irredeemably corrupt and evil. It's not that they don't like it, it's just that their ideology and education tells them that it's wrong and bad. It therefore follows that anything that destroys that evil is an axiomatic good - even if the belief system that underpins it runs counter to almost all of their ideas of social justice.

True leftism should stand full square behind enlightenment values and by extension western civilisation, despite critiques of capitalism and imperialism.

[SWv2]

True leftism should stand full square behind enlightenment values and by extension western civilisation, despite critiques of capitalism and imperialism.

Good man A.

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[Ash]

Good man A.

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That should Open Up the discussion.

[SWv2]

That should Open Up the discussion.

Very good A, on form today.

[redgunamo]

True leftism should stand full square behind enlightenment values and by extension western civilisation, despite critiques of capitalism and imperialism.

[Burney]

True leftism should stand full square behind enlightenment values and by extension western civilisation, despite critiques of capitalism and imperialism.

Yes. But it doesn't. Leftism and anti-western/identity politics are now inextricably intertwined, I'm afraid. Given a choice between the west and pretty much anyone else, they'll back the anyone else.